Thanks, Share but Im still confused. Petunia said they can manipulate DNA, if they can manipulate DNA, then why can they all rregrow a limb. Also Elias and Derelics ghost, Sharee both told me that with trust we can do anything we can imagine, without limitation, even cure cerebral pulsy etc, ANYTHING. So do Petunia's words mean that even after the shift we will not be able to generate enougt trust to do some of the tougher tasks? That would make Elias' and Sharee's words merely theorhetical, and not able to be accomplished in practice.
Share if you and Petuia get bored with my extended line of inquiry here, just let me know amd Ill desist, but Im hoping that you all wont, this being the whole reason Petunia made contact with you and this being a hugely important thing for me and people like Rose and really all people who hope now and hope for post shift , for us not to have limitations. SHedding all our limitations is the main reason most of us are here, I would think.
Thanks,
Steve Lord
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To tell you the truth I think you are just beating a dead horse, and I'm not that interested in continuing in that line of questioning.
Petunia actually made contact with me in a larger sense to glean information regarding essence families, because as to date I have collected the largest database incorporating essence families and subjects related to essence families. In her time frame they are very interested in essence families and the utilization of that information.
In return Petunia is sending me ROTEs so that I may become familiar with how they exchange information in the form of a thought ball.
Share
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Well Share , I can only go by what Thom and Vernal tell us, and they say they are in our dimension. BUt forget what they said, would Petunia say that if we pull the plug on the shift, then would hher people lose all of the shift iimprovements hthey experimence now? IF not, then how would they avoid losing it all, if there was no shift that happened?
As far as your first paragraph , below, yes , Petunia says she has a "particular intent" in your exchange, but I thought that that intent was not merely to do an experiment, but also )and mainly) to try to get you (or us, Im not clear on this yet), to believe that we can regrow limbs, because it takes a while for humans to be able to do this, its such a tough belief, and so it takes several generations for it to cook up , thus Petunia needed to go back several generatinns and help us to activate that belief so SHE (or her people) would be benefitted, that is what I understood you to be saying in a prior post. Did I misunderstand?
Thanks,
Steve L
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On May 29, 2008, at 9:20 AM, lord4444444444@aol.com wrote:
Did I misunderstand?
Thanks,
Steve L
Quite.
Share
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If I could take a crack at this...
Petunia says that some individuals can regrow limbs, others cannot.
What this means to me is that if I lose a limb in 2107, I may not know
how to regrow it, but I can go to someone who can help me learn how.
It's like saying that some people can ride a unicycle and others
cannot. I have complete and total freedom to learn how to ride the
unicycle, but if I tried right now, I'd probably fall off.
I expect that if people could control anything and everything about
their reality, they might actually *want* to experience an existence
with a missing limb, much like a child may try to hop around on one
foot for the experience of self-imposed limitation. The child knows
that she can get back on two feet when the game is over, just as
someone post-Shift would know that they can regrow the limb at any
time. The lack of permanence neutralizes the emotional impact of
losing a limb. If I know I can grow it back when I want, and my daily
life is filled with nothing but what I feel like doing in the moment,
then I would not be as devastated by the injury. I expect it would
hurt like hell, so there is that, I suppose. But even that is a
belief. Maybe we can shut off pain if all we want to experience is the
limitation.
As for the offering of information and her "agenda", I don't see it
like her seeding her past in order to alter her present. I see it as
her seeding our present in order to encourage effortlessness in our
future. She is offering encouragement, that's all.
~ S
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Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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At the risk of getting sucked into this discussion, I would
emphatically offer a reminder that this information encounters
distortion, a la the "Telephone Game", with every time it is conveyed
from one individual to another. Also, I think we're looking too
closely at an individual detail than we are at the big picture. The
big picture is that the Shift involves knowledge, conscious knowledge
of what we create. It involves immense freedom. And it's something
that we're moving into. I take stories of the future as a sort of
encouragement, but not an ironclad statement of what the future will be.
~ Solo
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Exactly.
Share
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Thanks, Steve M, I would agree with much of what you say. Howver we are stilll left with the essence of my line of questioning to Petunia. WHy is it that some people in her society cannot regrow a limb, as Share said? If it is just a matter of them going to a neighbor and asking how to do it, obviously they would have done that , but Petunia informs us that some STILL cannot regrow that limb.
[quote] "Damn! That pretty much seals our fate that Elias was correct and we wont be able to regenerate lost tissue . BUt of course I understand there are no absolutes. Sounds like our only hope is os to do what Petunia is doing and contact a past focus and insert the desired belief into their consciousness. MYRANDAAAA!
Steve L
Share replied
Some of their people can, some cannot. But you are correct, inserting the idea into this time frame makes it more available and easier in their time frame." [quote]
SO my concern is why cant cant what is holding them back , my understanding was that post shift we were finally unlimited , but some people in Petunia's time ARE still limited and simply cant figure out a solution other than to get us to cook up the necessary belief for a couple of generations.
Steve L
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Well ok then, I guess I am the only person who wants to find out what are limitations post shift people retain. Well this isnt the first time. I think I am the only person who wants to know what are the limitations to the awareness of ghosts, like to what degree can they actually accurately and in total detail perceive what is in my psyche, what is my intent, what are my beliefs, what are my motivations, what is the communcation that I am giving myself by such and such a disease communication, what are my desires. No one else I have ever know seems to have the slightest interest in that question either.
Steve L
In a message dated 5/29/2008 11:47:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sumari7@yahoo.com writes:
At the risk of getting sucked into this discussion, I would
emphatically offer a reminder that this information encounters
distortion, a la the "Telephone Game", with every time it is conveyed
from one individual to another. Also, I think we're looking too
closely at an individual detail than we are at the big picture. The
big picture is that the Shift involves knowledge, conscious knowledge
of what we create. It involves immense freedom. And it's something
that we're moving into. I take stories of the future as a sort of
encouragement, but not an ironclad statement of what the future will be.
~ Solo
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I do have interest in that question, and I did answer your question.
You're looking for a black and white answer, and one does not exist.
~ Solo
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Well Solo, you did a fine job of saying that we should focus on the things we will be able to do post shift, rather than the things we wont ,and thats a fine approach, but that doesnt help me to know what those limitations are, and THAT is my interest at the moment.
It hit me right between the eyes for SHare/Petunia to be telling us that at least some of us will still experience limitations post shift. Hell maybe if we put our heads together we could figure out a solutoin for those post shift who need a belief acceptance boost in , for example the regrowing of limbs area. That would even provide us with a motivations to shift FASTER, which some people arent motivated to do, because then we can more easily start to work on these post shift limitations. And it would be a mtivation for poeple to do what they can to SPREAD the idea of the shift to the general population, that would be in our and Petunia's interest in helping to "cook" these limit busting beliefs that such as we can regrow limbs, so that they can more easily be inserted later on.
Steve L
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Hmmm, well I guess the horse aint quite dead yet. So Share if you have a interest in finding out exactly what is the deal in 2107, as I do, Petunia, can every person who now has a desire to regrow a lost leg, in 2107 do so, at this moment in their lives, using their own abilities, or with help from a neighbor or somehow, can all your people now accomplish that task or are there some who no matter what they have tried are blocked by the strength of their belief that they cannot ?
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:31:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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Nope, the horse is definitely dead.
Share
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- In Elias@yahoogroups.com, lord4444444444@... wrote:
>
>
Well Solo, you did a fine job of saying that we should focus on the
things
> we will be able to do post shift, rather than the things we wont
,and thats
> a fine approach, but that doesnt help me to know what those
limitations are,
> and THAT is my interest at the moment.
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I said more than that. I said that those who "could not" were likely
those who "would not", for their own consciously-chosen reasons. I
think this discussion is one of those cases where translation causes
distortion. My point is to reiterate that post-Shift, everything that
we do and experience is chosen, knowingly, by us. Therefore, if I
experience inability to regrow a limb, then I have consciously chosen
that. Right now, my inability to do so is non-consciously chosen. I
would experience conflict if I lost a limb because I would be unable
to regrow it. Post-shift, our choices, intentions, and abilities are
known. That implies that if someone does not regrow a limb post-Shift,
they choose this in full knowledge of their choices.
Take communication, for instance. I can communicate with any of my
friends or family, anywhere, any time, thanks to mobile phones. I may,
one day, decide I wanted some time to myself, so I would turn off my
phone and put it in a drawer for a while. In that, I would make myself
unable to communicate with anyone anywhere. I would "lose" that
ability, for a little while. I can go get my phone once again, but I
may have my own reasons for experiencing solitude and isolation for a
while. Yes, I may get lonely. I may be uncomfortable, but I might
consciously *choose* to feel that in order to better appreciate the
times when I allow myself to use my phone once again.
So to sum up, I think those who "cannot" regrow a limb are choosing
not to manifest their ability, rendering them "unable" to do so. In
this, it's "unable" as in "if I do that, I'll spoil the experience and
I don't want to spoil the experience", rather than, "I know of no
possible way to alter my experience".
~ Solo
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Hokay, I just asked Vernal the same question below that I just asked Petunia, and this was her answer and this was my reply to her question. Do you think my reply was fair?
Vernal: How does this sound to you? If i say that the only reason for any experience is choice, which postshift is objectively conscious and boundless, how does that make you feel?
Steve: Ah, good, so vernal if I catch your answer right, you are saying you have zero limitations whatsoever, none, you can now live on the moon without oxygen, you can now live on the farthrest star in the universe, riight now, no oxygen, no food, no water, and the star is five million degrees farenheitt, is that literally and truthfully what you are saying, that you can just choose to do that and its done? You can now live in the center of a black hole, that is how your answer makes ME feel. Do I interpret you accurately?
thanks,
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:59:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lord4444444444@aol.com writes:
Hmmm, well I guess the horse aint quite dead yet. So Share if you have a interest in finding out exactly what is the deal in 2107, as I do, Petunia, can every person who now has a desire to regrow a lost leg, in 2107 do so, at this moment in their lives, using their own abilities, or with help from a neighbor or somehow, can all your people now accomplish that task or are there some who no matter what they have tried are blocked by the strength of their belief that they cannot ?
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:31:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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Hi Steve L.,
I think many of us are interested in these topics -- I am. But there are many approaches to this, although I find yours interesting,
Regards, Otho
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