Saturday, May 31, 2008
cart before the dead horse
Idiom: Beating a Dead Horse
If someone is trying to convince people to do or feel something without any hope of succeeding, they're beating a dead horse. This is used when someone is trying to raise interest in an issue that no-one supports anymore; beating a dead horse will not make it do any more work.
Idiom: Putting the cart before the horse
When you put the cart before the horse, you are doing something the wrong way round.
Thursday, May 29, 2008
teeth
According to Petunia, in her time frame, part of the process of growing a new tooth involves an understanding of why there was the creation of losing the tooth in the first place. So it isn't just the process of replacement, but an understanding of the initial subjective creation and the concept of teeth. The actual regeneration of the tooth is fairly easy.
the horse is definitely dead
Thanks, Share but Im still confused. Petunia said they can manipulate DNA, if they can manipulate DNA, then why can they all rregrow a limb. Also Elias and Derelics ghost, Sharee both told me that with trust we can do anything we can imagine, without limitation, even cure cerebral pulsy etc, ANYTHING. So do Petunia's words mean that even after the shift we will not be able to generate enougt trust to do some of the tougher tasks? That would make Elias' and Sharee's words merely theorhetical, and not able to be accomplished in practice.
Share if you and Petuia get bored with my extended line of inquiry here, just let me know amd Ill desist, but Im hoping that you all wont, this being the whole reason Petunia made contact with you and this being a hugely important thing for me and people like Rose and really all people who hope now and hope for post shift , for us not to have limitations. SHedding all our limitations is the main reason most of us are here, I would think.
Thanks,
Steve Lord
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To tell you the truth I think you are just beating a dead horse, and I'm not that interested in continuing in that line of questioning.
Petunia actually made contact with me in a larger sense to glean information regarding essence families, because as to date I have collected the largest database incorporating essence families and subjects related to essence families. In her time frame they are very interested in essence families and the utilization of that information.
In return Petunia is sending me ROTEs so that I may become familiar with how they exchange information in the form of a thought ball.
Share
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Well Share , I can only go by what Thom and Vernal tell us, and they say they are in our dimension. BUt forget what they said, would Petunia say that if we pull the plug on the shift, then would hher people lose all of the shift iimprovements hthey experimence now? IF not, then how would they avoid losing it all, if there was no shift that happened?
As far as your first paragraph , below, yes , Petunia says she has a "particular intent" in your exchange, but I thought that that intent was not merely to do an experiment, but also )and mainly) to try to get you (or us, Im not clear on this yet), to believe that we can regrow limbs, because it takes a while for humans to be able to do this, its such a tough belief, and so it takes several generations for it to cook up , thus Petunia needed to go back several generatinns and help us to activate that belief so SHE (or her people) would be benefitted, that is what I understood you to be saying in a prior post. Did I misunderstand?
Thanks,
Steve L
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On May 29, 2008, at 9:20 AM, lord4444444444@aol.com wrote:
Did I misunderstand?
Thanks,
Steve L
Quite.
Share
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If I could take a crack at this... Petunia says that some individuals can regrow limbs, others cannot. What this means to me is that if I lose a limb in 2107, I may not know how to regrow it, but I can go to someone who can help me learn how. It's like saying that some people can ride a unicycle and others cannot. I have complete and total freedom to learn how to ride the unicycle, but if I tried right now, I'd probably fall off.
I expect that if people could control anything and everything about their reality, they might actually *want* to experience an existence with a missing limb, much like a child may try to hop around on one foot for the experience of self-imposed limitation. The child knows that she can get back on two feet when the game is over, just as someone post-Shift would know that they can regrow the limb at any time. The lack of permanence neutralizes the emotional impact of losing a limb. If I know I can grow it back when I want, and my daily life is filled with nothing but what I feel like doing in the moment, then I would not be as devastated by the injury. I expect it would hurt like hell, so there is that, I suppose. But even that is a belief. Maybe we can shut off pain if all we want to experience is the limitation.
As for the offering of information and her "agenda", I don't see it like her seeding her past in order to alter her present. I see it as her seeding our present in order to encourage effortlessness in our future. She is offering encouragement, that's all. ~ S
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Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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At the risk of getting sucked into this discussion, I would emphatically offer a reminder that this information encounters distortion, a la the "Telephone Game", with every time it is conveyed from one individual to another. Also, I think we're looking too closely at an individual detail than we are at the big picture. The big picture is that the Shift involves knowledge, conscious knowledge of what we create. It involves immense freedom. And it's something that we're moving into. I take stories of the future as a sort of encouragement, but not an ironclad statement of what the future will be. ~ Solo
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Exactly.
Share
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Thanks, Steve M, I would agree with much of what you say. Howver we are stilll left with the essence of my line of questioning to Petunia. WHy is it that some people in her society cannot regrow a limb, as Share said? If it is just a matter of them going to a neighbor and asking how to do it, obviously they would have done that , but Petunia informs us that some STILL cannot regrow that limb.
[quote] "Damn! That pretty much seals our fate that Elias was correct and we wont be able to regenerate lost tissue . BUt of course I understand there are no absolutes. Sounds like our only hope is os to do what Petunia is doing and contact a past focus and insert the desired belief into their consciousness. MYRANDAAAA!
Steve L
Share replied
Some of their people can, some cannot. But you are correct, inserting the idea into this time frame makes it more available and easier in their time frame." [quote]
SO my concern is why cant cant what is holding them back , my understanding was that post shift we were finally unlimited , but some people in Petunia's time ARE still limited and simply cant figure out a solution other than to get us to cook up the necessary belief for a couple of generations.
Steve L
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Well ok then, I guess I am the only person who wants to find out what are limitations post shift people retain. Well this isnt the first time. I think I am the only person who wants to know what are the limitations to the awareness of ghosts, like to what degree can they actually accurately and in total detail perceive what is in my psyche, what is my intent, what are my beliefs, what are my motivations, what is the communcation that I am giving myself by such and such a disease communication, what are my desires. No one else I have ever know seems to have the slightest interest in that question either.
Steve L
In a message dated 5/29/2008 11:47:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sumari7@yahoo.com writes:
At the risk of getting sucked into this discussion, I would emphatically offer a reminder that this information encounters distortion, a la the "Telephone Game", with every time it is conveyed from one individual to another. Also, I think we're looking too closely at an individual detail than we are at the big picture. The big picture is that the Shift involves knowledge, conscious knowledge of what we create. It involves immense freedom. And it's something that we're moving into. I take stories of the future as a sort of encouragement, but not an ironclad statement of what the future will be. ~ Solo
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I do have interest in that question, and I did answer your question. You're looking for a black and white answer, and one does not exist. ~ Solo
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Well Solo, you did a fine job of saying that we should focus on the things we will be able to do post shift, rather than the things we wont ,and thats a fine approach, but that doesnt help me to know what those limitations are, and THAT is my interest at the moment.
It hit me right between the eyes for SHare/Petunia to be telling us that at least some of us will still experience limitations post shift. Hell maybe if we put our heads together we could figure out a solutoin for those post shift who need a belief acceptance boost in , for example the regrowing of limbs area. That would even provide us with a motivations to shift FASTER, which some people arent motivated to do, because then we can more easily start to work on these post shift limitations. And it would be a mtivation for poeple to do what they can to SPREAD the idea of the shift to the general population, that would be in our and Petunia's interest in helping to "cook" these limit busting beliefs that such as we can regrow limbs, so that they can more easily be inserted later on.
Steve L
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Hmmm, well I guess the horse aint quite dead yet. So Share if you have a interest in finding out exactly what is the deal in 2107, as I do, Petunia, can every person who now has a desire to regrow a lost leg, in 2107 do so, at this moment in their lives, using their own abilities, or with help from a neighbor or somehow, can all your people now accomplish that task or are there some who no matter what they have tried are blocked by the strength of their belief that they cannot ?
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:31:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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Nope, the horse is definitely dead.
Share
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- In Elias@yahoogroups.com, lord4444444444@... wrote: > >
Well Solo, you did a fine job of saying that we should focus on the things > we will be able to do post shift, rather than the things we wont ,and thats > a fine approach, but that doesnt help me to know what those limitations are, > and THAT is my interest at the moment.
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I said more than that. I said that those who "could not" were likely those who "would not", for their own consciously-chosen reasons. I think this discussion is one of those cases where translation causes distortion. My point is to reiterate that post-Shift, everything that we do and experience is chosen, knowingly, by us. Therefore, if I experience inability to regrow a limb, then I have consciously chosen that. Right now, my inability to do so is non-consciously chosen. I would experience conflict if I lost a limb because I would be unable to regrow it. Post-shift, our choices, intentions, and abilities are known. That implies that if someone does not regrow a limb post-Shift, they choose this in full knowledge of their choices.
Take communication, for instance. I can communicate with any of my friends or family, anywhere, any time, thanks to mobile phones. I may, one day, decide I wanted some time to myself, so I would turn off my phone and put it in a drawer for a while. In that, I would make myself unable to communicate with anyone anywhere. I would "lose" that ability, for a little while. I can go get my phone once again, but I may have my own reasons for experiencing solitude and isolation for a while. Yes, I may get lonely. I may be uncomfortable, but I might consciously *choose* to feel that in order to better appreciate the times when I allow myself to use my phone once again. So to sum up, I think those who "cannot" regrow a limb are choosing not to manifest their ability, rendering them "unable" to do so. In this, it's "unable" as in "if I do that, I'll spoil the experience and I don't want to spoil the experience", rather than, "I know of no possible way to alter my experience". ~ Solo
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Hokay, I just asked Vernal the same question below that I just asked Petunia, and this was her answer and this was my reply to her question. Do you think my reply was fair?
Vernal: How does this sound to you? If i say that the only reason for any experience is choice, which postshift is objectively conscious and boundless, how does that make you feel?
Steve: Ah, good, so vernal if I catch your answer right, you are saying you have zero limitations whatsoever, none, you can now live on the moon without oxygen, you can now live on the farthrest star in the universe, riight now, no oxygen, no food, no water, and the star is five million degrees farenheitt, is that literally and truthfully what you are saying, that you can just choose to do that and its done? You can now live in the center of a black hole, that is how your answer makes ME feel. Do I interpret you accurately? thanks, Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:59:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lord4444444444@aol.com writes:
Hmmm, well I guess the horse aint quite dead yet. So Share if you have a interest in finding out exactly what is the deal in 2107, as I do, Petunia, can every person who now has a desire to regrow a lost leg, in 2107 do so, at this moment in their lives, using their own abilities, or with help from a neighbor or somehow, can all your people now accomplish that task or are there some who no matter what they have tried are blocked by the strength of their belief that they cannot ?
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:31:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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Hi Steve L.,
I think many of us are interested in these topics -- I am. But there are many approaches to this, although I find yours interesting,
Regards, Otho
Share if you and Petuia get bored with my extended line of inquiry here, just let me know amd Ill desist, but Im hoping that you all wont, this being the whole reason Petunia made contact with you and this being a hugely important thing for me and people like Rose and really all people who hope now and hope for post shift , for us not to have limitations. SHedding all our limitations is the main reason most of us are here, I would think.
Thanks,
Steve Lord
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To tell you the truth I think you are just beating a dead horse, and I'm not that interested in continuing in that line of questioning.
Petunia actually made contact with me in a larger sense to glean information regarding essence families, because as to date I have collected the largest database incorporating essence families and subjects related to essence families. In her time frame they are very interested in essence families and the utilization of that information.
In return Petunia is sending me ROTEs so that I may become familiar with how they exchange information in the form of a thought ball.
Share
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Well Share , I can only go by what Thom and Vernal tell us, and they say they are in our dimension. BUt forget what they said, would Petunia say that if we pull the plug on the shift, then would hher people lose all of the shift iimprovements hthey experimence now? IF not, then how would they avoid losing it all, if there was no shift that happened?
As far as your first paragraph , below, yes , Petunia says she has a "particular intent" in your exchange, but I thought that that intent was not merely to do an experiment, but also )and mainly) to try to get you (or us, Im not clear on this yet), to believe that we can regrow limbs, because it takes a while for humans to be able to do this, its such a tough belief, and so it takes several generations for it to cook up , thus Petunia needed to go back several generatinns and help us to activate that belief so SHE (or her people) would be benefitted, that is what I understood you to be saying in a prior post. Did I misunderstand?
Thanks,
Steve L
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On May 29, 2008, at 9:20 AM, lord4444444444@aol.com wrote:
Did I misunderstand?
Thanks,
Steve L
Quite.
Share
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If I could take a crack at this... Petunia says that some individuals can regrow limbs, others cannot. What this means to me is that if I lose a limb in 2107, I may not know how to regrow it, but I can go to someone who can help me learn how. It's like saying that some people can ride a unicycle and others cannot. I have complete and total freedom to learn how to ride the unicycle, but if I tried right now, I'd probably fall off.
I expect that if people could control anything and everything about their reality, they might actually *want* to experience an existence with a missing limb, much like a child may try to hop around on one foot for the experience of self-imposed limitation. The child knows that she can get back on two feet when the game is over, just as someone post-Shift would know that they can regrow the limb at any time. The lack of permanence neutralizes the emotional impact of losing a limb. If I know I can grow it back when I want, and my daily life is filled with nothing but what I feel like doing in the moment, then I would not be as devastated by the injury. I expect it would hurt like hell, so there is that, I suppose. But even that is a belief. Maybe we can shut off pain if all we want to experience is the limitation.
As for the offering of information and her "agenda", I don't see it like her seeding her past in order to alter her present. I see it as her seeding our present in order to encourage effortlessness in our future. She is offering encouragement, that's all. ~ S
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Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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At the risk of getting sucked into this discussion, I would emphatically offer a reminder that this information encounters distortion, a la the "Telephone Game", with every time it is conveyed from one individual to another. Also, I think we're looking too closely at an individual detail than we are at the big picture. The big picture is that the Shift involves knowledge, conscious knowledge of what we create. It involves immense freedom. And it's something that we're moving into. I take stories of the future as a sort of encouragement, but not an ironclad statement of what the future will be. ~ Solo
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Exactly.
Share
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Thanks, Steve M, I would agree with much of what you say. Howver we are stilll left with the essence of my line of questioning to Petunia. WHy is it that some people in her society cannot regrow a limb, as Share said? If it is just a matter of them going to a neighbor and asking how to do it, obviously they would have done that , but Petunia informs us that some STILL cannot regrow that limb.
[quote] "Damn! That pretty much seals our fate that Elias was correct and we wont be able to regenerate lost tissue . BUt of course I understand there are no absolutes. Sounds like our only hope is os to do what Petunia is doing and contact a past focus and insert the desired belief into their consciousness. MYRANDAAAA!
Steve L
Share replied
Some of their people can, some cannot. But you are correct, inserting the idea into this time frame makes it more available and easier in their time frame." [quote]
SO my concern is why cant cant what is holding them back , my understanding was that post shift we were finally unlimited , but some people in Petunia's time ARE still limited and simply cant figure out a solution other than to get us to cook up the necessary belief for a couple of generations.
Steve L
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Well ok then, I guess I am the only person who wants to find out what are limitations post shift people retain. Well this isnt the first time. I think I am the only person who wants to know what are the limitations to the awareness of ghosts, like to what degree can they actually accurately and in total detail perceive what is in my psyche, what is my intent, what are my beliefs, what are my motivations, what is the communcation that I am giving myself by such and such a disease communication, what are my desires. No one else I have ever know seems to have the slightest interest in that question either.
Steve L
In a message dated 5/29/2008 11:47:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sumari7@yahoo.com writes:
At the risk of getting sucked into this discussion, I would emphatically offer a reminder that this information encounters distortion, a la the "Telephone Game", with every time it is conveyed from one individual to another. Also, I think we're looking too closely at an individual detail than we are at the big picture. The big picture is that the Shift involves knowledge, conscious knowledge of what we create. It involves immense freedom. And it's something that we're moving into. I take stories of the future as a sort of encouragement, but not an ironclad statement of what the future will be. ~ Solo
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I do have interest in that question, and I did answer your question. You're looking for a black and white answer, and one does not exist. ~ Solo
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Well Solo, you did a fine job of saying that we should focus on the things we will be able to do post shift, rather than the things we wont ,and thats a fine approach, but that doesnt help me to know what those limitations are, and THAT is my interest at the moment.
It hit me right between the eyes for SHare/Petunia to be telling us that at least some of us will still experience limitations post shift. Hell maybe if we put our heads together we could figure out a solutoin for those post shift who need a belief acceptance boost in , for example the regrowing of limbs area. That would even provide us with a motivations to shift FASTER, which some people arent motivated to do, because then we can more easily start to work on these post shift limitations. And it would be a mtivation for poeple to do what they can to SPREAD the idea of the shift to the general population, that would be in our and Petunia's interest in helping to "cook" these limit busting beliefs that such as we can regrow limbs, so that they can more easily be inserted later on.
Steve L
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Hmmm, well I guess the horse aint quite dead yet. So Share if you have a interest in finding out exactly what is the deal in 2107, as I do, Petunia, can every person who now has a desire to regrow a lost leg, in 2107 do so, at this moment in their lives, using their own abilities, or with help from a neighbor or somehow, can all your people now accomplish that task or are there some who no matter what they have tried are blocked by the strength of their belief that they cannot ?
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:31:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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Nope, the horse is definitely dead.
Share
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- In Elias@yahoogroups.com, lord4444444444@... wrote: > >
Well Solo, you did a fine job of saying that we should focus on the things > we will be able to do post shift, rather than the things we wont ,and thats > a fine approach, but that doesnt help me to know what those limitations are, > and THAT is my interest at the moment.
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I said more than that. I said that those who "could not" were likely those who "would not", for their own consciously-chosen reasons. I think this discussion is one of those cases where translation causes distortion. My point is to reiterate that post-Shift, everything that we do and experience is chosen, knowingly, by us. Therefore, if I experience inability to regrow a limb, then I have consciously chosen that. Right now, my inability to do so is non-consciously chosen. I would experience conflict if I lost a limb because I would be unable to regrow it. Post-shift, our choices, intentions, and abilities are known. That implies that if someone does not regrow a limb post-Shift, they choose this in full knowledge of their choices.
Take communication, for instance. I can communicate with any of my friends or family, anywhere, any time, thanks to mobile phones. I may, one day, decide I wanted some time to myself, so I would turn off my phone and put it in a drawer for a while. In that, I would make myself unable to communicate with anyone anywhere. I would "lose" that ability, for a little while. I can go get my phone once again, but I may have my own reasons for experiencing solitude and isolation for a while. Yes, I may get lonely. I may be uncomfortable, but I might consciously *choose* to feel that in order to better appreciate the times when I allow myself to use my phone once again. So to sum up, I think those who "cannot" regrow a limb are choosing not to manifest their ability, rendering them "unable" to do so. In this, it's "unable" as in "if I do that, I'll spoil the experience and I don't want to spoil the experience", rather than, "I know of no possible way to alter my experience". ~ Solo
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Hokay, I just asked Vernal the same question below that I just asked Petunia, and this was her answer and this was my reply to her question. Do you think my reply was fair?
Vernal: How does this sound to you? If i say that the only reason for any experience is choice, which postshift is objectively conscious and boundless, how does that make you feel?
Steve: Ah, good, so vernal if I catch your answer right, you are saying you have zero limitations whatsoever, none, you can now live on the moon without oxygen, you can now live on the farthrest star in the universe, riight now, no oxygen, no food, no water, and the star is five million degrees farenheitt, is that literally and truthfully what you are saying, that you can just choose to do that and its done? You can now live in the center of a black hole, that is how your answer makes ME feel. Do I interpret you accurately? thanks, Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:59:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lord4444444444@aol.com writes:
Hmmm, well I guess the horse aint quite dead yet. So Share if you have a interest in finding out exactly what is the deal in 2107, as I do, Petunia, can every person who now has a desire to regrow a lost leg, in 2107 do so, at this moment in their lives, using their own abilities, or with help from a neighbor or somehow, can all your people now accomplish that task or are there some who no matter what they have tried are blocked by the strength of their belief that they cannot ?
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:31:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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Hi Steve L.,
I think many of us are interested in these topics -- I am. But there are many approaches to this, although I find yours interesting,
Regards, Otho
beating the dead horse
On May 28, 2008, at 10:07 PM, lord4444444444@aol.com wrote:
SHare I dont understand what you are saying here. So she is trying to teach you how to regrow a tooth etc? And you insert WHOSE enrrgy into your time friame. and what do you mean makes it easier (for whom) to manipulate beliefs (whose beliefs) within her time frame?
THen you say it takes a length of time to accept and incorporate beliefs such as grrowing new limbs or teeth. So what is the process? ONe accepts his belief that he cant, and then choose one that he can? Thanks
Steve L
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The ability to grow a new limb or new set of permanent teeth is possible, and is simply a matter of believing that you can. However, right now, the belief that we cannot do those things are very strong. By inserting new beliefs or ideas into my time frame gives it time to cook, so to speak, and after a few generations acceptance of the new beliefs make them easy to manifest in Petunia's time frame.
Share
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Ah Share, thats interesting. So then the subjective , even in deciding how we should die, doesnt make some well reasoned decision to like give you a hreart attack for the experience, but thinks it must give you some disease or injury simply because some nutty belierf told it , so to speak,that that was the only way and the Subjective bought that. Gives one less faithi in his subjective huh, as an all knowing essence that knows what best, Its as much in the dark as our conscious mind.
Also re your thought coment, in 2002 before my psi wasnt being hindered by this brain problem I have, I was able to perform one magical creation after another simply by saying the words, like" I want to energize the New York Jets Football team", and for about thirty seconds afterwards when I would do that (one play) they would play like they were shot out of a cannon. So I guess we would have to say tHese experiences were due to my explicitly expressed intention. ,
Steve L
In a message dated 5/28/2008 7:19:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Thought does not create reality. The choice to disengage is made the same as it is now, but the method does not necessarily require beliefs about accident or disease making the idea of death less frightful.
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You are your subjective self. It is not doing anything without your consent.
What I am saying is that in Petunia's time frame the choice to disengage is viewed as a choice and not as something inflicted upon someone without their knowledge or consent. In this time frame individuals often choose an accident or disease as the method of death, because generally individuals do not believe someone is choosing the action of death. In Petunia's time frame the choice of disengagement or death is an acceptable choice in society, and there is no need to create an accident or disease, they simply die.
Share
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Damn! That pretty much seals our fate that Elias was correct and we wont be able to regenerate lost tissue . BUt of course I understand there are no absolutes. Sounds like our only hope is os to do what Petunia is doing and contact a past focus and insert the desired belief into their consciousness. MYRANDAAAA!
Ok then , since that is Petunia's agenda, then I assume she would want you to get her message to as large an audience as possible. Does that sound right?
Steve L
In a message dated 5/28/2008 11:01:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Some of their people can, some cannot. But you are correct, inserting the idea into this time frame makes it more available and easier in their time frame.
Share
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It isn't necessarily important that I attract a large audience, but I will affect a particular group of individuals. Remember, Petunia is my future focus, and she is inserting energy into her own past. Everyone may create their realities whatever way they choose, there are no absolutes as you say. No fate is sealed.
Share
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SHare your saying that some of Petunia's people cannot yet regrow tissue is quite perplexing to me. My understanding from Elias about the shift and Thom and Vernal about their lives , that they, and I presumed that included any post shifter, that being what the shift is all about, , that they can and we will, be able to create ANYTHING we want, that ALL our beliefs will be accepted by a bout 2075? So why cant ALL of Petunia's people regenerate tissue.?
Steve Lord
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Not all life challenges are eliminated in the after shift environment. For the most part all can regenerate new teeth, this is very easy. But to regenerate a new limb depends on how the individual lost the limb in the first place, and the choices they make. Sometimes the limb is only damaged, and they may choose to work with the limb in its damaged state to generate healing, rather than eliminate the limb and grow a new one. It depends on the individual. So some cannot because they do not choose that method. In Petunia's time frame there are less absolutes, so there is no particular one way. Each individual chooses from many options.
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Here is on Share's website, Elias confrming what I just asked Share, perplexing me even more.
"Elias: Yes! Therefore, they (post-shift focuses) do not incorporate
all of the answers either"
Share can you ask Petunia to discuss this failure of post shifters to be able to do what we have always understood they would be able to do, THanks, and can you ask her if is going to prove ALMOST absolutely impossible for us to regemerrate tissue, because that was something I wanted to do for myself too. Ive got some teeth that got messed up by this brainclamp disease which is due to a factor in my blood, that Id like to replace. Thanks.
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/28/2008 11:41:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lord4444444444@aol.com writes:
SHare your saying that some of Petunia's people cannot yet regrow tissue is quite perplexing to me. My understanding from Elias about the shift and Thom and Vernal about their lives , that they, and I presumed that included any post shifter, that being what the shift is all about, , that they can and we will, be able to create ANYTHING we want, that ALL our beliefs will be accepted by a bout 2075? So why cant ALL of Petunia's people regenerate tissue.?
Steve Lord
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Anything is possible even now. Is it probable for you? That depends on your own level of self-trust.
Petunia does not intend to prove anything and what would incorporate proof? But she does say that in her time frame individuals are overall more trusting of themselves and therefore more satisfied and accomplished, but challenges still exist. It depends on the individual.
Share
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Wait a minute. Petunia's gang can change their looks to look like anything they want. That sound harder tahn regrowing a few teeth??? WHat about that Petunia? Mr. Lord's head is spinning.
Steve Lord
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They are aware of their choices for physical structure before they manifest and don't believe that their appearance is totally a product of random DNA selection at conception. They are able to modify their looks the way we modify our physical structure with surgery, except surgery is not needed. However, sometimes they modify their appearance towards more uniqueness rather than to conform to a societal standard like a model. Playfulness is involved and it is not difficult.
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Tthanks Share, so then do you mean Petunia isnt trying to instill the regeneration of tissue belief into our entire society, but rather just into you so she personally will benefit? WHy , is she missing a limb or something?.
This story too is confusing because Thom and Vernal had said that if we pujlled the plug on the shift, they wouldnt be affected, they would just keep on as if we had shifted, but they would then just in a different dimensin than us. THus impliies that they would not be affected by anything we choose from now on, its already etched in stone for them vis a vis us, I guess based on our present probabilities. WHat I mean is, if us pulling the plug on the shift wouldnt change their reality at all, then neither would our adopting a belief in regereration, D you follow.? BUt Petunia is in a sense disputing that, IF in the case of if we adopting a mass belief in regeneration, that would help her whole society.
SO then can Petunia explain for us this apparaent contradiction of how us pulling the plug on the shift wouldnt affect them, but us making other changes of course would? Maybe its all just a matter of their choice which of our changes they choose to follow, shift abortion, no, adoption of belief in limb and teeth generation, yes.
Thanks,
Steee Lord
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Petunia isn't trying to instill the belief, she is sharing information with me, as I am sharing information with you. Our interaction, Petunia's and mine, benefit us both. You might want to view it as an experiment. It is not as absolute as you seem to indicate. When I say she has an agenda, I mean she has a particular intent in our interchange.
I don't know anything about Thom and Vernal, but it sounds to me like they are in a different dimension. I don't think comparison is useful.
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SHare I dont understand what you are saying here. So she is trying to teach you how to regrow a tooth etc? And you insert WHOSE enrrgy into your time friame. and what do you mean makes it easier (for whom) to manipulate beliefs (whose beliefs) within her time frame?
THen you say it takes a length of time to accept and incorporate beliefs such as grrowing new limbs or teeth. So what is the process? ONe accepts his belief that he cant, and then choose one that he can? Thanks
Steve L
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The ability to grow a new limb or new set of permanent teeth is possible, and is simply a matter of believing that you can. However, right now, the belief that we cannot do those things are very strong. By inserting new beliefs or ideas into my time frame gives it time to cook, so to speak, and after a few generations acceptance of the new beliefs make them easy to manifest in Petunia's time frame.
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Ah Share, thats interesting. So then the subjective , even in deciding how we should die, doesnt make some well reasoned decision to like give you a hreart attack for the experience, but thinks it must give you some disease or injury simply because some nutty belierf told it , so to speak,that that was the only way and the Subjective bought that. Gives one less faithi in his subjective huh, as an all knowing essence that knows what best, Its as much in the dark as our conscious mind.
Also re your thought coment, in 2002 before my psi wasnt being hindered by this brain problem I have, I was able to perform one magical creation after another simply by saying the words, like" I want to energize the New York Jets Football team", and for about thirty seconds afterwards when I would do that (one play) they would play like they were shot out of a cannon. So I guess we would have to say tHese experiences were due to my explicitly expressed intention. ,
Steve L
In a message dated 5/28/2008 7:19:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Thought does not create reality. The choice to disengage is made the same as it is now, but the method does not necessarily require beliefs about accident or disease making the idea of death less frightful.
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You are your subjective self. It is not doing anything without your consent.
What I am saying is that in Petunia's time frame the choice to disengage is viewed as a choice and not as something inflicted upon someone without their knowledge or consent. In this time frame individuals often choose an accident or disease as the method of death, because generally individuals do not believe someone is choosing the action of death. In Petunia's time frame the choice of disengagement or death is an acceptable choice in society, and there is no need to create an accident or disease, they simply die.
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Damn! That pretty much seals our fate that Elias was correct and we wont be able to regenerate lost tissue . BUt of course I understand there are no absolutes. Sounds like our only hope is os to do what Petunia is doing and contact a past focus and insert the desired belief into their consciousness. MYRANDAAAA!
Ok then , since that is Petunia's agenda, then I assume she would want you to get her message to as large an audience as possible. Does that sound right?
Steve L
In a message dated 5/28/2008 11:01:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Some of their people can, some cannot. But you are correct, inserting the idea into this time frame makes it more available and easier in their time frame.
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It isn't necessarily important that I attract a large audience, but I will affect a particular group of individuals. Remember, Petunia is my future focus, and she is inserting energy into her own past. Everyone may create their realities whatever way they choose, there are no absolutes as you say. No fate is sealed.
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SHare your saying that some of Petunia's people cannot yet regrow tissue is quite perplexing to me. My understanding from Elias about the shift and Thom and Vernal about their lives , that they, and I presumed that included any post shifter, that being what the shift is all about, , that they can and we will, be able to create ANYTHING we want, that ALL our beliefs will be accepted by a bout 2075? So why cant ALL of Petunia's people regenerate tissue.?
Steve Lord
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Not all life challenges are eliminated in the after shift environment. For the most part all can regenerate new teeth, this is very easy. But to regenerate a new limb depends on how the individual lost the limb in the first place, and the choices they make. Sometimes the limb is only damaged, and they may choose to work with the limb in its damaged state to generate healing, rather than eliminate the limb and grow a new one. It depends on the individual. So some cannot because they do not choose that method. In Petunia's time frame there are less absolutes, so there is no particular one way. Each individual chooses from many options.
Share
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Here is on Share's website, Elias confrming what I just asked Share, perplexing me even more.
"Elias: Yes! Therefore, they (post-shift focuses) do not incorporate
all of the answers either"
Share can you ask Petunia to discuss this failure of post shifters to be able to do what we have always understood they would be able to do, THanks, and can you ask her if is going to prove ALMOST absolutely impossible for us to regemerrate tissue, because that was something I wanted to do for myself too. Ive got some teeth that got messed up by this brainclamp disease which is due to a factor in my blood, that Id like to replace. Thanks.
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/28/2008 11:41:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lord4444444444@aol.com writes:
SHare your saying that some of Petunia's people cannot yet regrow tissue is quite perplexing to me. My understanding from Elias about the shift and Thom and Vernal about their lives , that they, and I presumed that included any post shifter, that being what the shift is all about, , that they can and we will, be able to create ANYTHING we want, that ALL our beliefs will be accepted by a bout 2075? So why cant ALL of Petunia's people regenerate tissue.?
Steve Lord
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Anything is possible even now. Is it probable for you? That depends on your own level of self-trust.
Petunia does not intend to prove anything and what would incorporate proof? But she does say that in her time frame individuals are overall more trusting of themselves and therefore more satisfied and accomplished, but challenges still exist. It depends on the individual.
Share
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Wait a minute. Petunia's gang can change their looks to look like anything they want. That sound harder tahn regrowing a few teeth??? WHat about that Petunia? Mr. Lord's head is spinning.
Steve Lord
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They are aware of their choices for physical structure before they manifest and don't believe that their appearance is totally a product of random DNA selection at conception. They are able to modify their looks the way we modify our physical structure with surgery, except surgery is not needed. However, sometimes they modify their appearance towards more uniqueness rather than to conform to a societal standard like a model. Playfulness is involved and it is not difficult.
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Tthanks Share, so then do you mean Petunia isnt trying to instill the regeneration of tissue belief into our entire society, but rather just into you so she personally will benefit? WHy , is she missing a limb or something?.
This story too is confusing because Thom and Vernal had said that if we pujlled the plug on the shift, they wouldnt be affected, they would just keep on as if we had shifted, but they would then just in a different dimensin than us. THus impliies that they would not be affected by anything we choose from now on, its already etched in stone for them vis a vis us, I guess based on our present probabilities. WHat I mean is, if us pulling the plug on the shift wouldnt change their reality at all, then neither would our adopting a belief in regereration, D you follow.? BUt Petunia is in a sense disputing that, IF in the case of if we adopting a mass belief in regeneration, that would help her whole society.
SO then can Petunia explain for us this apparaent contradiction of how us pulling the plug on the shift wouldnt affect them, but us making other changes of course would? Maybe its all just a matter of their choice which of our changes they choose to follow, shift abortion, no, adoption of belief in limb and teeth generation, yes.
Thanks,
Steee Lord
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Petunia isn't trying to instill the belief, she is sharing information with me, as I am sharing information with you. Our interaction, Petunia's and mine, benefit us both. You might want to view it as an experiment. It is not as absolute as you seem to indicate. When I say she has an agenda, I mean she has a particular intent in our interchange.
I don't know anything about Thom and Vernal, but it sounds to me like they are in a different dimension. I don't think comparison is useful.
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008
healing arts
On May 28, 2008, at 5:08 PM, lord4444444444@aol.com wrote:
Share you posted this " Exactly. And this is part of Petunia's agenda, growing new limbs, like a lizard grows a new tail, and also growing another full set of teeth on demand."
Did you mean that was Petunia's agenda as for US to be able to do that, NOW, or SOON. or what? Thanks.
Steve :L
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Petunia's agenda in interacting with myself is directed towards the healing arts. In the exchange of information I insert energy in my present time frame which makes it easier to manipulate beliefs within her time frame. It does require a length of time to accept and incorporate beliefs such as growing new limbs or new teeth.
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Shares entry from Sunday on her blog says this.
"They no longer need to create an excuse for disengagement such as accident or disease, as a simple desire is enough and well understood "
Gulp, thats a little scary and one that has given me pause before in other contexts. Because what if our passing thoughts, or rather intents, like ", I just want to die ", , etc were so powerful that they came true.. Seems like we are going to create a lot of things we later regret.
Steve L
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Thought does not create reality. The choice to disengage is made the same as it is now, but the method does not necessarily require beliefs about accident or disease, making the idea of death less frightful.
Share
Share you posted this " Exactly. And this is part of Petunia's agenda, growing new limbs, like a lizard grows a new tail, and also growing another full set of teeth on demand."
Did you mean that was Petunia's agenda as for US to be able to do that, NOW, or SOON. or what? Thanks.
Steve :L
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Petunia's agenda in interacting with myself is directed towards the healing arts. In the exchange of information I insert energy in my present time frame which makes it easier to manipulate beliefs within her time frame. It does require a length of time to accept and incorporate beliefs such as growing new limbs or new teeth.
Share
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Shares entry from Sunday on her blog says this.
"They no longer need to create an excuse for disengagement such as accident or disease, as a simple desire is enough and well understood "
Gulp, thats a little scary and one that has given me pause before in other contexts. Because what if our passing thoughts, or rather intents, like ", I just want to die ", , etc were so powerful that they came true.. Seems like we are going to create a lot of things we later regret.
Steve L
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Thought does not create reality. The choice to disengage is made the same as it is now, but the method does not necessarily require beliefs about accident or disease, making the idea of death less frightful.
Share
climate - you ARE the weather
BLOCKING OF IMPULSES
This is how you experience unusual weather patterns, or unusual air currents, or unusual tides. You all contribute to your expressions of floods or tornadoes or hurricanes or earthquakes, but simple weather variations are largely blocking of impulses. There is no expression for this energy. It must go somewhere! Do you truly believe that energy just disappears because it is not expressed? Incorrect. Energy never disappears. Energy is energy. It only refocuses itself and remanifests itself in a different direction. Elias - 14
This is how you experience unusual weather patterns, or unusual air currents, or unusual tides. You all contribute to your expressions of floods or tornadoes or hurricanes or earthquakes, but simple weather variations are largely blocking of impulses. There is no expression for this energy. It must go somewhere! Do you truly believe that energy just disappears because it is not expressed? Incorrect. Energy never disappears. Energy is energy. It only refocuses itself and remanifests itself in a different direction. Elias - 14
a channel
Hi, one other thing, from a "probability perspective" it may not
matter who wins this election. Our now has many paths that just so
happened to have converged upon this moment regardless of any previous
divergence at other points in time. I suspect that in many cases there
is an overall momentum that is driving things rather than just one or
two figureheads, but this case may be different.
:) Wan
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I think you make a good point. All probabilities are actualized.
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Petunia's note:
She does not perceive only one line of probability. To her the past is flexible, and all probabilities exist within it.
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On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, kimikaio wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/26/regrowing.body.parts/index.html?
eref=rss_health#cnnSTCText
I remember a transcript where Elias said we wouldn't be able to regrow
parts. This is confusing.
In the article & end of the video, "science fiction eventually becomes
true." How fun!
Do you think he was perhaps referring to the present time frame and the very strong beliefs that it was a difficult/impossible thing? I can't imagine that still being true 100 years hence. And it looks like with genetic experimentation, we might even see it a lot sooner (as the article indicates).
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Exactly. And this is part of Petunia's agenda, growing new limbs, like a lizard grows a new tail, and also growing another full set of teeth on demand.
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I love it!. Thanks, Petunia. I told a variety of people about Petunia today, normal people. Ok it was a tougn sell , but they seemed to resonate with the no government, no corporations part, and the freedom for children to set their own agenda because her 9 year old shift kid already has. . Except for one guy, he seemed to entertain the possibility of Petunia telling it like it is, or rather is to be. He was a guy in the Bible class here that I attend and who majored in Religious studies and is a lay minister. Elias was right, they , the religious ones, have the jump on us in this shift.
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Id like to make a confession. Yesterday after I had tried to contact Petunias friend, Thistle, while I was fixing dinner, I felt a curious change in my head, and I actually thought, "Yikes, what if this is Thistle?"
And I immediately sort of panicked , thinking, "Whoa, what if I didnt LIKE her,?" I mean it was like a prearranged marriage where you dont even get to meet each other first, and Thistle might even turn out to have a a green head. LOL. But if that was her, then I would feel obligated to stay with her and maybe not even get another chance as a result, with someone else? And the moment I thought that, that feeling in my head stopped. So Thistle, if that was you, how can I make it up to you?
Steve Lord
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I think you make a good point. All probabilities are actualized.
Share
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She does not perceive only one line of probability. To her the past is flexible, and all probabilities exist within it.
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On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, kimikaio
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/26/regrowing.body.parts/index.html?
eref=rss_health#cnnSTCText
I remember a transcript where Elias said we wouldn't be able to regrow
parts. This is confusing.
In the article & end of the video, "science fiction eventually becomes
true." How fun!
Do you think he was perhaps referring to the present time frame and the very strong beliefs that it was a difficult/impossible thing? I can't imagine that still being true 100 years hence. And it looks like with genetic experimentation, we might even see it a lot sooner (as the article indicates).
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Exactly. And this is part of Petunia's agenda, growing new limbs, like a lizard grows a new tail, and also growing another full set of teeth on demand.
Share
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I love it!. Thanks, Petunia. I told a variety of people about Petunia today, normal people. Ok it was a tougn sell , but they seemed to resonate with the no government, no corporations part, and the freedom for children to set their own agenda because her 9 year old shift kid already has. . Except for one guy, he seemed to entertain the possibility of Petunia telling it like it is, or rather is to be. He was a guy in the Bible class here that I attend and who majored in Religious studies and is a lay minister. Elias was right, they , the religious ones, have the jump on us in this shift.
Steve L.
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Id like to make a confession. Yesterday after I had tried to contact Petunias friend, Thistle, while I was fixing dinner, I felt a curious change in my head, and I actually thought, "Yikes, what if this is Thistle?"
And I immediately sort of panicked , thinking, "Whoa, what if I didnt LIKE her,?" I mean it was like a prearranged marriage where you dont even get to meet each other first, and Thistle might even turn out to have a a green head. LOL. But if that was her, then I would feel obligated to stay with her and maybe not even get another chance as a result, with someone else? And the moment I thought that, that feeling in my head stopped. So Thistle, if that was you, how can I make it up to you?
Steve Lord
aquaduck
It’s all about Story.
I remember faintly a story a friend once told me; about how we are like a television set with many, many, many channels all running at once. Just because we only tune into one, does not mean the others don’t exist, for they do. Hundreds of channels with all types of stories; adventures, mysteries, romance, history, psy/fi, you create it.
Each television is toned to the intent of the family it belongs to. Yes, toned, that’s correct. Pitch, timbre, resonance, sound, and manner. Add to that buttons below that adjust color, shade, hue, brightness, and shadows. Every television is unique in its settings.
There is a scheduling channel that exhibits a presentation of several scenes, as an introductory or preliminary message, sample, or overview. A foretaste, trailer, or preview of coming attractions. This channel runs constantly being broadcast via satellite from the State of Altered.
The problem with this is that we lost the remote between the cushions of our psychological couch, and it seems as though the television is stuck on one channel. But an occasional twist and turn produces an incomprehensible bleed-through from the other channels. Maybe a sound, maybe an image.
But the previews are always clear and available with a slight twist of the attention tuner. And it is those multidimensional previews that make us most aware there is a lot more accessible for our viewing pleasure, and adds to the boredom of the oubliette isolation of single channel viewing.
Remembrance is recalling where you put that remote.
Click!
I remember faintly a story a friend once told me; about how we are like a television set with many, many, many channels all running at once. Just because we only tune into one, does not mean the others don’t exist, for they do. Hundreds of channels with all types of stories; adventures, mysteries, romance, history, psy/fi, you create it.
Each television is toned to the intent of the family it belongs to. Yes, toned, that’s correct. Pitch, timbre, resonance, sound, and manner. Add to that buttons below that adjust color, shade, hue, brightness, and shadows. Every television is unique in its settings.
There is a scheduling channel that exhibits a presentation of several scenes, as an introductory or preliminary message, sample, or overview. A foretaste, trailer, or preview of coming attractions. This channel runs constantly being broadcast via satellite from the State of Altered.
The problem with this is that we lost the remote between the cushions of our psychological couch, and it seems as though the television is stuck on one channel. But an occasional twist and turn produces an incomprehensible bleed-through from the other channels. Maybe a sound, maybe an image.
But the previews are always clear and available with a slight twist of the attention tuner. And it is those multidimensional previews that make us most aware there is a lot more accessible for our viewing pleasure, and adds to the boredom of the oubliette isolation of single channel viewing.
Remembrance is recalling where you put that remote.
Click!
Monday, May 26, 2008
Conversations with the Lord
How would you like to be living in Seattle and just casually come across this tidbit from Petunia,
"In her understanding the Pacific Northwest coast changed due to a series of tsunamis, so it was not one major event, but rather several events that caused her people to move inland and establish new smaller communities.
Do you have any idea how big a tsunami would have to be to wipe out Seatte or otherwise so rearrange the coast that one had to move inland? I live in Santa Barbara Ca. and reading this even got me nervous. Uh Share, Petunia wouldnt happen to know when these Tsunami's started would she?
And would she be opposed to checking to see if Obama beat McCain or McCain beat Obama, which is of course the subject of intense interest here and actually I am sure Petunia would know this major fact without even having to check.
You know what Thom and Vernal told us, that if we decided to change our minds about anything, like the shift, they would then just be in a different dimension than us , it wouldnt effect them at all, they are proceeding as if we kept on with itlike our probabilities are now, so if we changed our minds about who was going to be President from what Petunia tells us for 2008, I guess they would stay with that choice even if we chose the other guy. So I understand that what she would tell us now as to who won, is not , for us , etched in stone, but just a most probable probability.
Thanks,
Steve Lord
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Petunia says major changes to the landscape due to extreme weather start now. This is the nature of the emotion wave as climate and emotional climate are the same thing. Coastline changes in the Pacific northwest where she resides are from a series of tsunamis, not one major event but several over a course of many years.
You are a participant in the climate change of the emotional wave that is now. Nothing will happen to you that you are not aware of first on a subjective level, so pay attention to all your communications. It doesn't matter where you are physically, but where you are emotionally. It isn't the circumstances, it is how you feel about it. You are already creating your own personal reality.
Understand that Petunia is my future focus and her and I are connected in ways that may be hard for me to explain. I am representing her past, and she represents my future, but not everyone's future. You have your own future focuses which are available for you to connect with, and will provide you with your own shifty information and direction.
Petunia is aware of meddling and suggestibility and is careful about what she conveys as to not interfere with my choices. And I don't share everything she says. Plus Petunia has an agenda, and I might write more about that later.
Remember, your future is up to you, you always have free will and choice. You are right, nothing is etched in stone.
Petunia couldn't care less who wins the election, any more than I care who won the election one hundred years ago. Her and I are very similar on many levels. She won't even make a suggestion to a probability. It doesn't matter who wins. What matters is learning to become self directed, not directed by government or a particular leader.
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Wow,Share, how interesting major climate changes start NOW, due to the emotional wave. Yeah, I had read in the Petunia section that it was a series of tsunamis, but the tsunami in Indonesia etc didnt massively rearrange the landscape like all the way as far as Seattle if thats what Petunia meant, or even a mile in, I woundnt imagine, so these tsunamis must have been the largest in recorded history. The earthquakes it would take to cause those must have been off the richter scale. But Elias told Mark we are trying now to avoid such things, so maybe we can still change those probabilities.
Share tells me to listen to our subjective for warning, and the only way I have to do that .is through dreaming Im afraid because my Subjective and I arent on speaking terms yet, and I have had 3 dreams now that a tsunami is coming my way. Gulp.
You all see the price of oil lately? Hurricane season is coming and there are a lot of oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico that stand in their path, can you imagine what this emo wave could do to them and the price of oil and therefore the economy? But again Elias and Sharee said no huge economic disasters are in our probabilities as of now.
Thanks Share,
Steve Lord
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Petunia finds it rather humorous that you only envision earthquakes off the richter scale to influence relocation. She would like to suggest the possibility that individuals may choose to change locations because they are tired of their basements flooding every year. Or that they may just resonate with a different local and life style.
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Ah good Share glad I conjured up disasters of an exagerated magnitude but also good to know not to buy land in Estoriia Oregon or Bellingham Washington. Note the recent swarm of earthquakes off the shore of Oregon which are unlike anything seen before, maybe an omen. I am of the view that we are accomplishing that and massive storms, increased volcanic activity and maybe even global warming by invreasing cosmic ray intensity as Im sure you have read me say, I guess Petunia wouldnt know that though. . WHere are you, in England?
Steve Lord
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Las Vegas, Nevada
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I wonder how the skeptics of the world, you know, the 6.5 billion of them except for us, lol, would explain away the striking similarity between Petunia and Thom and Vernal in what they are telling us is about to be created by us But Im sure they will find a way. :)
Share , you ever put all that energy and channelling and tapping into the subjective ability of yours into a little afternoon over at the Bellagio or the Wynn? Did you know the Wynn has a slot machine that you can bet 5000 dollars on each bet on? That is where Im headed once I get this brainclamp removed. LOL See you at the Wynn. But I dont think if I were you that Id buy any property there. It is my bet that once this shift hiits into a higher gear, more and more people are going to tear Vegas up and they either will have to shut down or invent a way to foil us, and Im not sure that can be done. Plus with the demise of money, Vegas is doomed. Too bad. I adore gambling.and I like Las Vegas.
Steve Lord
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BAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Share, if they chose to post to your email, could I still read Petunia's answer later on your blog? I think its cute the way Petunia's garden friends all are named after flowers. I read they are looking for people to hook up with here to tell about their people. Can you please tell Thistle that I like her style and Im not attached?
Steve Lord
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Yes, I'll post all replies that concern Petunia to the blog.
Tell Thistle yourself. She is available for you to connect to.
Share
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Hey Thistle! Whats happening!
Steve Lord
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BAHAHAHAHAHA!
Use your imagination.
Share
"In her understanding the Pacific Northwest coast changed due to a series of tsunamis, so it was not one major event, but rather several events that caused her people to move inland and establish new smaller communities.
Do you have any idea how big a tsunami would have to be to wipe out Seatte or otherwise so rearrange the coast that one had to move inland? I live in Santa Barbara Ca. and reading this even got me nervous. Uh Share, Petunia wouldnt happen to know when these Tsunami's started would she?
And would she be opposed to checking to see if Obama beat McCain or McCain beat Obama, which is of course the subject of intense interest here and actually I am sure Petunia would know this major fact without even having to check.
You know what Thom and Vernal told us, that if we decided to change our minds about anything, like the shift, they would then just be in a different dimension than us , it wouldnt effect them at all, they are proceeding as if we kept on with itlike our probabilities are now, so if we changed our minds about who was going to be President from what Petunia tells us for 2008, I guess they would stay with that choice even if we chose the other guy. So I understand that what she would tell us now as to who won, is not , for us , etched in stone, but just a most probable probability.
Thanks,
Steve Lord
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Petunia says major changes to the landscape due to extreme weather start now. This is the nature of the emotion wave as climate and emotional climate are the same thing. Coastline changes in the Pacific northwest where she resides are from a series of tsunamis, not one major event but several over a course of many years.
You are a participant in the climate change of the emotional wave that is now. Nothing will happen to you that you are not aware of first on a subjective level, so pay attention to all your communications. It doesn't matter where you are physically, but where you are emotionally. It isn't the circumstances, it is how you feel about it. You are already creating your own personal reality.
Understand that Petunia is my future focus and her and I are connected in ways that may be hard for me to explain. I am representing her past, and she represents my future, but not everyone's future. You have your own future focuses which are available for you to connect with, and will provide you with your own shifty information and direction.
Petunia is aware of meddling and suggestibility and is careful about what she conveys as to not interfere with my choices. And I don't share everything she says. Plus Petunia has an agenda, and I might write more about that later.
Remember, your future is up to you, you always have free will and choice. You are right, nothing is etched in stone.
Petunia couldn't care less who wins the election, any more than I care who won the election one hundred years ago. Her and I are very similar on many levels. She won't even make a suggestion to a probability. It doesn't matter who wins. What matters is learning to become self directed, not directed by government or a particular leader.
Share
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Wow,Share, how interesting major climate changes start NOW, due to the emotional wave. Yeah, I had read in the Petunia section that it was a series of tsunamis, but the tsunami in Indonesia etc didnt massively rearrange the landscape like all the way as far as Seattle if thats what Petunia meant, or even a mile in, I woundnt imagine, so these tsunamis must have been the largest in recorded history. The earthquakes it would take to cause those must have been off the richter scale. But Elias told Mark we are trying now to avoid such things, so maybe we can still change those probabilities.
Share tells me to listen to our subjective for warning, and the only way I have to do that .is through dreaming Im afraid because my Subjective and I arent on speaking terms yet, and I have had 3 dreams now that a tsunami is coming my way. Gulp.
You all see the price of oil lately? Hurricane season is coming and there are a lot of oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico that stand in their path, can you imagine what this emo wave could do to them and the price of oil and therefore the economy? But again Elias and Sharee said no huge economic disasters are in our probabilities as of now.
Thanks Share,
Steve Lord
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Petunia finds it rather humorous that you only envision earthquakes off the richter scale to influence relocation. She would like to suggest the possibility that individuals may choose to change locations because they are tired of their basements flooding every year. Or that they may just resonate with a different local and life style.
Share
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Ah good Share glad I conjured up disasters of an exagerated magnitude but also good to know not to buy land in Estoriia Oregon or Bellingham Washington. Note the recent swarm of earthquakes off the shore of Oregon which are unlike anything seen before, maybe an omen. I am of the view that we are accomplishing that and massive storms, increased volcanic activity and maybe even global warming by invreasing cosmic ray intensity as Im sure you have read me say, I guess Petunia wouldnt know that though. . WHere are you, in England?
Steve Lord
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Las Vegas, Nevada
Share
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I wonder how the skeptics of the world, you know, the 6.5 billion of them except for us, lol, would explain away the striking similarity between Petunia and Thom and Vernal in what they are telling us is about to be created by us But Im sure they will find a way. :)
Share , you ever put all that energy and channelling and tapping into the subjective ability of yours into a little afternoon over at the Bellagio or the Wynn? Did you know the Wynn has a slot machine that you can bet 5000 dollars on each bet on? That is where Im headed once I get this brainclamp removed. LOL See you at the Wynn. But I dont think if I were you that Id buy any property there. It is my bet that once this shift hiits into a higher gear, more and more people are going to tear Vegas up and they either will have to shut down or invent a way to foil us, and Im not sure that can be done. Plus with the demise of money, Vegas is doomed. Too bad. I adore gambling.and I like Las Vegas.
Steve Lord
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BAHAHAHAHAHA!
Share
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Share, if they chose to post to your email, could I still read Petunia's answer later on your blog? I think its cute the way Petunia's garden friends all are named after flowers. I read they are looking for people to hook up with here to tell about their people. Can you please tell Thistle that I like her style and Im not attached?
Steve Lord
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Yes, I'll post all replies that concern Petunia to the blog.
Tell Thistle yourself. She is available for you to connect to.
Share
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Hey Thistle! Whats happening!
Steve Lord
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BAHAHAHAHAHA!
Use your imagination.
Share
official reality
You each are the center of the universe! Everything revolves around you. I am not speaking collectively. I am speaking each individual. You are all the most important center, and you are all affecting of everything! Elias - 27
Sunday, May 25, 2008
a new earth
Petunia constantly reminds me that it is ideas that are contagious. We've renamed that to mind virus or memes to make it sound more scientific, but the basis for reality construction still comes from its subjective (subject / concept) source. This is well understood in the future, thus the ease of manifestation based solely upon intent. Much like wispy wishful thinking, but power-packed with a load of undoubting trust that will take some years for us to perfect.
This changes the basis for The New Earth, or a different reality construct, to one of more abstractness only because the absolute is no longer expected. The boundaries of the past have been removed and replaced with the freedom of autistic thinking or expectations. This would be most noticeable in the area of medicine or healing constructs. And she calls them constructs because they involve group interaction or community participation. Yes, individuals still manifest disease, but it is more for experimentation because the old idea of a judgmental God outside of one's self delivering punishment for crimes of sin, no longer exists. It would be as medieval as blood letting or leeches are to us now.
Disease is manifest somewhat as entertainment, the way a child will hop on one foot for a period of time, just to experience a feeling of limitation. But the physical manifestation is understood as body of individual but cooperative cells, the way the entire universe is a replication of the design of the body. And each cell is willing to cooperate to whatever extent is desired, so no physical affectingness need be considered permanent or out of control. This allows each individual the opportunity for extended lifetimes well beyond our present day expectations, and based on individual preference.
Birth and death still exist in the design for entrance and exit from this physical dimension, but birth and death are both subjects for celebration. Individuals no longer need to create an excuse for disengagement such as accident or disease, as a simple desire is enough and well understood. Many attend their own Bon Voyage party and within their goodbyes indicate their intent to "keep in touch," since this is quite simplistic due to the removal of the separation veil. As in tribal cultures, the ancestors are always available.
This changes the basis for The New Earth, or a different reality construct, to one of more abstractness only because the absolute is no longer expected. The boundaries of the past have been removed and replaced with the freedom of autistic thinking or expectations. This would be most noticeable in the area of medicine or healing constructs. And she calls them constructs because they involve group interaction or community participation. Yes, individuals still manifest disease, but it is more for experimentation because the old idea of a judgmental God outside of one's self delivering punishment for crimes of sin, no longer exists. It would be as medieval as blood letting or leeches are to us now.
Disease is manifest somewhat as entertainment, the way a child will hop on one foot for a period of time, just to experience a feeling of limitation. But the physical manifestation is understood as body of individual but cooperative cells, the way the entire universe is a replication of the design of the body. And each cell is willing to cooperate to whatever extent is desired, so no physical affectingness need be considered permanent or out of control. This allows each individual the opportunity for extended lifetimes well beyond our present day expectations, and based on individual preference.
Birth and death still exist in the design for entrance and exit from this physical dimension, but birth and death are both subjects for celebration. Individuals no longer need to create an excuse for disengagement such as accident or disease, as a simple desire is enough and well understood. Many attend their own Bon Voyage party and within their goodbyes indicate their intent to "keep in touch," since this is quite simplistic due to the removal of the separation veil. As in tribal cultures, the ancestors are always available.
collective emotion
I remember in that time frame that Petunia and I had a lengthy talk about the emotional wave and the weather. They are one in the same, even share the same name, climate and emotional climate. It is where your emotions go when you're finished with them, as they collect in the atmosphere and become the local weather patterns.
The ancient Greeks understood the powerfulness of collective emotion, and in their mythology named their highest ranked god as a personification of the might of collective energy. It is unfortunate that the Greeks personification of energy was mistranslated into the judgmental God of the old testament, for that was hardly their intent or teaching.
Of course it is easy at the end of May, 08 to predict unusual and powerful weather patterns, especially after the appearance of tornados, cyclones, and the China earthquake. But she also gave a nudge towards a large earthquake in central California near Bakersfield, probably during the hot summer of this year.
Remember she said, that not only is emotion and weather related, but the yellow Vold energy moves like an earthquake, and you can expect earth shaking energy releases wherever large groups of Volds congregate in restriction.
The ancient Greeks understood the powerfulness of collective emotion, and in their mythology named their highest ranked god as a personification of the might of collective energy. It is unfortunate that the Greeks personification of energy was mistranslated into the judgmental God of the old testament, for that was hardly their intent or teaching.
Of course it is easy at the end of May, 08 to predict unusual and powerful weather patterns, especially after the appearance of tornados, cyclones, and the China earthquake. But she also gave a nudge towards a large earthquake in central California near Bakersfield, probably during the hot summer of this year.
Remember she said, that not only is emotion and weather related, but the yellow Vold energy moves like an earthquake, and you can expect earth shaking energy releases wherever large groups of Volds congregate in restriction.
God of Weather or collective emotion
The weather faithfully reflects the feelings of the individuals in any given local territory. Overall weather patterns follow deeper inner rhythms of emotion.
Remember that ideas are as natural as the weather. They follow patterns, then, and obey certain laws even as more strictly physical phenomena do.
- Seth, The Nature of Personal Reality
Remember that ideas are as natural as the weather. They follow patterns, then, and obey certain laws even as more strictly physical phenomena do.
- Seth, The Nature of Personal Reality
January 19, 2008
Just a simple pulling on the string tie of my ROTE gift was enough to unleash a flood of information. Something about an election year and an emotional wave. Not that I hadn't felt the change in energy mid-September when it became a strong energy of expansion. Wherever I placed my attention, the energy expanded, and woe be it to myself and those who continued to try to use old familiar methods of manipulation and control. Pushing energy meant that it would just push back like a mirror effect, and create exactly what wasn't wanted. It was highly noticeable.
It was also something about the intensity of shifting. I didn't trust it enough to post anything to list, but I did create an image and post to my flickr site to record the event and date, and then get used to the mechanics of ROTE information, as it arrives in a multidimensional fashion. It is a knowing.
Not that Petunia is telling me my future, but more that she is making me aware of my present which becomes my future, and I hold more of an awareness of the collective movement of energy. Tighten your seat belt, it's going to be a wild ride.
It was also something about the intensity of shifting. I didn't trust it enough to post anything to list, but I did create an image and post to my flickr site to record the event and date, and then get used to the mechanics of ROTE information, as it arrives in a multidimensional fashion. It is a knowing.
Not that Petunia is telling me my future, but more that she is making me aware of my present which becomes my future, and I hold more of an awareness of the collective movement of energy. Tighten your seat belt, it's going to be a wild ride.
A ROTE is sent with an image to help define the core concept of the thought ball.
I know I haven't shared anything about Petunia in the last few months, not that she has disappeared or discontinued, but more that she is a lingering guiding spirit in the back of my mind, always available. It is that her information is quite personal to me, and her interaction is often difficult for me to explain.
Last Christmas eve I had gone to friends houses to celebrate and consequently had consumed much to much wine and smoke to trust my self to drive the short distance home. I wasn't sleepy, but feeling woozy, and I asked permission to sit upright in a wing back chair after everyone else had retired to dream of sugar plums and Santa. I was in that twilight space between wake and sleep, and I could feel a large bundle of wire directly over the top of my head. The image in my mind was that it was much like a UFO sighting, where the craft would be described as the length of a football field, but I knew it wasn't a craft, rather the image of a ball of wire. And I could see the end protruding out as though to touch my shoulder. It was a strange experience indeed, and lasted perhaps two hours, until I finally felt well enough to make the journey home.
The next morning was difficult, as I had planned to cook a turkey, but every movement of mine seemed laborious. I hadn't thought to ask Petunia right away, but at some point in the morning I made the connection to her. "What was that?" I asked, and she explained that she had sent me a Christmas present in the form of a ROTE. It was meant to be an overwhelming presence for my noticing, and the ball of wire was similar to the size of cable on a suspension bridge. The image, she said, was similar to the cover page of a FAX, to illustrate the contents of the transmission, like the cover of a book would be. The cable represents the size of the capability of data available like an internet cable connection, only immense.
I thought for a while I had received a gigantic vapor encyclopedia that I could access anytime, like air Goggle, and that was pretty stupendous. But having the answers ready and available didn't mean much until I could come up with some questions, and I just didn't seem to have any questions. Although I did feel confident that my gift would be available whenever I chose to access it.
I didn't do much with my gift for a couple weeks. I told a few people about it, just so I could enjoy the strange looks I get in return, but all in all it seemed as though my gift remained unwrapped. However, the image haunted me and mid January I researched to find a similar image to post to my flickr site just to record the event and the date.
Last Christmas eve I had gone to friends houses to celebrate and consequently had consumed much to much wine and smoke to trust my self to drive the short distance home. I wasn't sleepy, but feeling woozy, and I asked permission to sit upright in a wing back chair after everyone else had retired to dream of sugar plums and Santa. I was in that twilight space between wake and sleep, and I could feel a large bundle of wire directly over the top of my head. The image in my mind was that it was much like a UFO sighting, where the craft would be described as the length of a football field, but I knew it wasn't a craft, rather the image of a ball of wire. And I could see the end protruding out as though to touch my shoulder. It was a strange experience indeed, and lasted perhaps two hours, until I finally felt well enough to make the journey home.
The next morning was difficult, as I had planned to cook a turkey, but every movement of mine seemed laborious. I hadn't thought to ask Petunia right away, but at some point in the morning I made the connection to her. "What was that?" I asked, and she explained that she had sent me a Christmas present in the form of a ROTE. It was meant to be an overwhelming presence for my noticing, and the ball of wire was similar to the size of cable on a suspension bridge. The image, she said, was similar to the cover page of a FAX, to illustrate the contents of the transmission, like the cover of a book would be. The cable represents the size of the capability of data available like an internet cable connection, only immense.
I thought for a while I had received a gigantic vapor encyclopedia that I could access anytime, like air Goggle, and that was pretty stupendous. But having the answers ready and available didn't mean much until I could come up with some questions, and I just didn't seem to have any questions. Although I did feel confident that my gift would be available whenever I chose to access it.
I didn't do much with my gift for a couple weeks. I told a few people about it, just so I could enjoy the strange looks I get in return, but all in all it seemed as though my gift remained unwrapped. However, the image haunted me and mid January I researched to find a similar image to post to my flickr site just to record the event and the date.
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