I have a couple of questions for Petunia...
Could you tell us about some other communities that exist in your
world, that may be completely different from your own?
My personality, and my general outlook on the world, is rather
analytical. I do not see it as a fault or a problem, nor do I see it
as something that makes me superior in any way. It's the way I am. The
questions that I have and the answers that I seek are of an analytical
nature, whereas the answers that I get back from you are more of an
intuitive nature. My question is, are there people in your world,
albeit not in your own community, who are of a more analytical nature,
and what sorts of expressions do they create in a world that appears,
by all accounts, to incorporate a stronger sense of intuition?
~ S
All communities are different, even when they have the same basic themes. However, Petunia says she is not aware of any community that is totally analytical, because there are no individuals in her world that restrict themselves to only using their rational or logical functions. This is because basically every individual is a ‘shifty kid’ and has full recognition and use of both inner and outer senses. There are communities whose theme is technology, and they enjoy exploring deep space though the use of machinery. However, even those communities freely utilize their sense of imagination to come up with new designs and methods of exploration.
The logical, rational self is not worshiped as being better than the intuitive self, nor is the intuitive self worshiped as being better than the logical self. There is a balance between the two, and within this balance is the freedom of unconstrained inventiveness and corresponding physical manifestation. Literally, individuals can create in the physical whatever they can dream up. 'Scientific Law' have been revoked in favor of the boundless possibility and potential and excitement of lawlessness.
There is a version of the Replicator that is a machine that works as well as the version that is not. And yes, there are still “trekkies.”
Tuesday, September 4, 2007
Sunday, September 2, 2007
larger cities
Petunia just doesn’t want to add to the idea that there was terrible upheaval beyond control, and everyone fled in total terror like some awful ‘B movie.’ New Orleans is a good example. There was disaster created there because the residents desired it, and anyone who disengaged did so because they were ready to disengage, and the circumstance provided the opportunity. Anyone who relocated did so for the adventure, and those who remained did so because they wanted to participate in new designs and ideas regarding retaining the unique ‘flavor’ of their city and enhancing it.
In her future every major city does the same thing in a manner. They hold to those concepts that they enjoy, the ones that make them unique and flavorful and build upon that idea, and exercise the opportunity to dismantle or rearrange those concepts that they didn’t especially like or were no longer working. And in that way larger cities became more community minded and supportive to one another and in some cases much smaller.
Cities like individuals focus on their own individuality and how they can foster that in a way that is most inventive. They become less about buying and selling and consumerism and more about unique expression. Some shopping malls became artists communities with stores redesigned into living and working quarters, and common areas used for the display and enjoyment of their own creativity and also social interaction. Some cities discovered that when they no longer had such a great need to commute they could eliminate the concrete infrastructure of highways and replace it with more pleasing pathways that could accommodate other modes of transportation. Pathways that are used for the enjoyment of the journey and not so much to achieve a destination, for if one is hell-bent on destination they can simply project themselves there.
Each community is different in emphasizing their own expertise, but overall the inventiveness of redesign is unprecedented and beyond what we can begin to imagine and hypothesize now.
In her future every major city does the same thing in a manner. They hold to those concepts that they enjoy, the ones that make them unique and flavorful and build upon that idea, and exercise the opportunity to dismantle or rearrange those concepts that they didn’t especially like or were no longer working. And in that way larger cities became more community minded and supportive to one another and in some cases much smaller.
Cities like individuals focus on their own individuality and how they can foster that in a way that is most inventive. They become less about buying and selling and consumerism and more about unique expression. Some shopping malls became artists communities with stores redesigned into living and working quarters, and common areas used for the display and enjoyment of their own creativity and also social interaction. Some cities discovered that when they no longer had such a great need to commute they could eliminate the concrete infrastructure of highways and replace it with more pleasing pathways that could accommodate other modes of transportation. Pathways that are used for the enjoyment of the journey and not so much to achieve a destination, for if one is hell-bent on destination they can simply project themselves there.
Each community is different in emphasizing their own expertise, but overall the inventiveness of redesign is unprecedented and beyond what we can begin to imagine and hypothesize now.
etherial
I guess I just wanted to say that this future you speak about is very etherial. - Howard
I suppose Harmony is an idyllic and etherial Garden of Eden, as the landscape is genuinely luscious, but it is far from boring. It began as an experiment and continues with the challenge of invention and discovery of new mysterious species of vegetation and various ways it may be utilized. And the scenery constantly changes and rearranges and astonishes within the cycle of seasons, the way a florist displays new and finer floral arrangements of enjoyment.
There is still conflict, even in a community named ‘Harmony,’ but residents are not so willing to automatically join in to take sides and defend. They have an understanding that often it is not about the subject of the argument, but rather the releasing of pent up energies. And because bystanders are not so apt to judge, the participants in the argument are not embarrassed by the outburst, anymore than a thunderstorm is humiliated by its discharge, for it is a natural and stimulating way to clear the air. When one understands the motivating factor of conflict, they are not so apt to unwittingly get sucked into a whirlwind of intensity. Maybe that is the harmony.
I suppose Harmony is an idyllic and etherial Garden of Eden, as the landscape is genuinely luscious, but it is far from boring. It began as an experiment and continues with the challenge of invention and discovery of new mysterious species of vegetation and various ways it may be utilized. And the scenery constantly changes and rearranges and astonishes within the cycle of seasons, the way a florist displays new and finer floral arrangements of enjoyment.
There is still conflict, even in a community named ‘Harmony,’ but residents are not so willing to automatically join in to take sides and defend. They have an understanding that often it is not about the subject of the argument, but rather the releasing of pent up energies. And because bystanders are not so apt to judge, the participants in the argument are not embarrassed by the outburst, anymore than a thunderstorm is humiliated by its discharge, for it is a natural and stimulating way to clear the air. When one understands the motivating factor of conflict, they are not so apt to unwittingly get sucked into a whirlwind of intensity. Maybe that is the harmony.
Petunia's idea of disaster
Continuing on the subject of disaster, Petunia would like to add that in this time frame we are already seeing the collapse of social structure in the imagery of collapsing freeway overpasses and bridges. These are not accidents, they are reflections of the intention to give up the idea of living in one place and working in another which incorporates a unpleasant and time consuming daily commute. Within self-contained communities individuals live and work in the same place, and even work is not considered a job, but rather ones manner of creative expression, and joyfulness.
In Petunia’s community as people began to live entirely in concert with the environment, they noticed that plants have a habit of growing, expanding, and blossoming. And they saw that their physical bodies were composed of the same process. So as they would say, finesse a vine to grow around their shelters, so they would also finesse themselves to grow in a certain direction. Their method of medicine incorporated this idea of working from the inside out to the point where they could change the creation of their own DNA to produce more desirable physical effects. Nothing is forced; there is no intrusive surgery, but rather the subtlety of direction by intent in the process of growing and constant change. Not only do they live in a garden; they view themselves as a garden of various flowers, each blossoming to the fullest potential within indescribable beauty and individuality. Individuals bloom for the pure pleasure of colorful blooming.
In Petunia’s community as people began to live entirely in concert with the environment, they noticed that plants have a habit of growing, expanding, and blossoming. And they saw that their physical bodies were composed of the same process. So as they would say, finesse a vine to grow around their shelters, so they would also finesse themselves to grow in a certain direction. Their method of medicine incorporated this idea of working from the inside out to the point where they could change the creation of their own DNA to produce more desirable physical effects. Nothing is forced; there is no intrusive surgery, but rather the subtlety of direction by intent in the process of growing and constant change. Not only do they live in a garden; they view themselves as a garden of various flowers, each blossoming to the fullest potential within indescribable beauty and individuality. Individuals bloom for the pure pleasure of colorful blooming.
Saturday, September 1, 2007
Disaster
Sharon,
Okay, so....in spite of the different contour of the Washington coastline, Petunia is still West of the Cascades. The rainyness is the clue.
Love ya,
Katie
Katie; Yeah, I think so. From her descriptions that sounds like where it is. Share
This has got to be in the Hoh rainforest.....on the peninsula. Love ya, Katie
Sharon, There must be an awful lot more that happens besides a series of tsunamis. I can't imagine tsunamis would have much effect on Seattle. It's so hilly, very little of the land is that close to sea level. Most of downtown is a good hundred feet above and the rest, higher. Now I can see Elliot Bay being wiped out. But Seattle being on Puget Sound, a tsunami would have to travel in through the straits of Juan de Fuca and probably lose momentum in doing so before doing much to Seattle. The Pacific coast of Washington is not very populated. Just little towns is all. So I am thinking a great deal more happens to Washington State besides tsunamis.
Elias mentions that the world population decreases significantly during the coming decades. It will be interesting to see how that all comes about. And it sounds from Petunia, that it won't be a bad thing to allow all of it to happen. Love ya, Katie
Katie;
Petunia does not wish to lend energy to the ideas of prophecy and mass disengagement due to destruction of the planet whether it is natural disasters, disease, or human causes. In fact that whole sentence doesn’t make sense to her, because it is the idea of separation of the self from the environment or events. There is no separation of the physical body from the environment or events, as they are all one in the same creation.
Not that there wasn’t destruction caused by what we consider natural disaster, but they were dependant on the local and the emotional status of the residents. When individuals or groups did choose to relocate, it was not so much from the effects of upheaval, it was because that was their own intention and creation and it was more assisting them rather than the main factor for the choices made. She says that we still have the tendency from our viewpoint to regard those types of events as being outside of ourselves, in that we believe that reality creates us, not the other way around. Mass events were more considered motivation and desire for adventure, and it made it easier to leave everything behind and create new self-contained communities.
Yes there was mass disengagement for a variety of reasons, but these reasons were based on the individual and their own choices to participate in a particular manner. Society hadn’t fully absorbed that creating an event that caused us to die in a way, which appeared to be against our will, was not actually necessary. And for the most part the individual made those type choices because they did not wish to participate physically in the shifting process, but to lend their energy and support from a subjective state.
She says that by the time that her people established their own community, around mid-century, societal structures and reflecting building structures were already being abandoned or redesigned. One way to get a ‘feel’ for this is to look at the rapidly increasing number of autistic children being born now. [But she would also like to clarify that the word ‘autism’ is not a disease, rather a blanket statement for unwanted or unacceptable behavior.] We already recognize that in our immediate future, our educational system will not accommodate this new culture of shifty kids, and the same thing shall apply to every other major social system.
Love,
Share
Katie; Yeah, I think so. From her descriptions that sounds like where it is. Share
This has got to be in the Hoh rainforest.....on the peninsula. Love ya, Katie
Sharon, There must be an awful lot more that happens besides a series of tsunamis. I can't imagine tsunamis would have much effect on Seattle. It's so hilly, very little of the land is that close to sea level. Most of downtown is a good hundred feet above and the rest, higher. Now I can see Elliot Bay being wiped out. But Seattle being on Puget Sound, a tsunami would have to travel in through the straits of Juan de Fuca and probably lose momentum in doing so before doing much to Seattle. The Pacific coast of Washington is not very populated. Just little towns is all. So I am thinking a great deal more happens to Washington State besides tsunamis.
Elias mentions that the world population decreases significantly during the coming decades. It will be interesting to see how that all comes about. And it sounds from Petunia, that it won't be a bad thing to allow all of it to happen. Love ya, Katie
Katie;
Petunia does not wish to lend energy to the ideas of prophecy and mass disengagement due to destruction of the planet whether it is natural disasters, disease, or human causes. In fact that whole sentence doesn’t make sense to her, because it is the idea of separation of the self from the environment or events. There is no separation of the physical body from the environment or events, as they are all one in the same creation.
Not that there wasn’t destruction caused by what we consider natural disaster, but they were dependant on the local and the emotional status of the residents. When individuals or groups did choose to relocate, it was not so much from the effects of upheaval, it was because that was their own intention and creation and it was more assisting them rather than the main factor for the choices made. She says that we still have the tendency from our viewpoint to regard those types of events as being outside of ourselves, in that we believe that reality creates us, not the other way around. Mass events were more considered motivation and desire for adventure, and it made it easier to leave everything behind and create new self-contained communities.
Yes there was mass disengagement for a variety of reasons, but these reasons were based on the individual and their own choices to participate in a particular manner. Society hadn’t fully absorbed that creating an event that caused us to die in a way, which appeared to be against our will, was not actually necessary. And for the most part the individual made those type choices because they did not wish to participate physically in the shifting process, but to lend their energy and support from a subjective state.
She says that by the time that her people established their own community, around mid-century, societal structures and reflecting building structures were already being abandoned or redesigned. One way to get a ‘feel’ for this is to look at the rapidly increasing number of autistic children being born now. [But she would also like to clarify that the word ‘autism’ is not a disease, rather a blanket statement for unwanted or unacceptable behavior.] We already recognize that in our immediate future, our educational system will not accommodate this new culture of shifty kids, and the same thing shall apply to every other major social system.
Love,
Share
enchanted forest
What makes magic work?
ELIAS: I shall express to you, in simplicity, what allows the flow – or in your terms, what allows this action to work or not to work – is the individual’s recognition of their natural self and expression. Elias - 573
ELIAS: I shall express to you, in simplicity, what allows the flow – or in your terms, what allows this action to work or not to work – is the individual’s recognition of their natural self and expression. Elias - 573
Replicator
Petunia tells me a story of the early pioneers of her community, way back when it was a small group of ten or twelve who had moved inland due to the number of tsunamis along the coast that had reshaped and formed the coastline, to where it could no longer be inhabited. They were outdoors type people who drove until they found a spot in the forest that suited them. They had arrived with a truck load of supplies ready to carve out a new residence. The first night they built a campfire and sat around the fire eating and discussing what their plans were.
They liked a particular area with its collection of trees, and were planning how they would string up their tarps for protection. They were talking about how it was almost perfect for their purposes, but how they wanted more of a clearing in the center, and perhaps the next morning they would cut down a couple of trees to achieve the purpose. Then they all climbed into their sleeping bags and retired for the night.
The next morning as they were stoking the fire for breakfast, one of them called out in astonishment, and pointed to the area they were talking about the night before. The trees were now arranged exactly the way they had imaged the night before. Not only did it seem that the trees got up and moved around during the night, but some of the trees seemed even shorter and the limbs stretched out over the center area, providing a natural shelter.
Of course they all thought they had gone 'bonkers', cause everyone knows trees don't move, but there it was ready and waiting for them to set up base camp. Events like this kept happening, and finally they decided that this was an enchanted forest that was willing to cooperate with whatever they desired, and thus began the Community of Harmony.
Share
I do this a lot also. This is a silly example, but an example nevertheless: I use a hair curler thingy that uses small gas cartridges for heat and the store where I usually get them had been out of them for a couple of months. Everytime I went in there I would check on them. Then I thought I would go online and find out if I could purchase them online and couldn't. This became quite a big deal to me as I searched everywhere for them. Finally one day I was in a RiteAid pharmacy and I thought I would check there and they didn't even carry the brand of curling iron so I figured my chance of finding the cartridges there was nil. As I started to walk back toward the check-out stand I glanced up and saw a package of the cartridges sitting on top of one of the displays in a completely different department - just waiting for me! Love, Fran
They liked a particular area with its collection of trees, and were planning how they would string up their tarps for protection. They were talking about how it was almost perfect for their purposes, but how they wanted more of a clearing in the center, and perhaps the next morning they would cut down a couple of trees to achieve the purpose. Then they all climbed into their sleeping bags and retired for the night.
The next morning as they were stoking the fire for breakfast, one of them called out in astonishment, and pointed to the area they were talking about the night before. The trees were now arranged exactly the way they had imaged the night before. Not only did it seem that the trees got up and moved around during the night, but some of the trees seemed even shorter and the limbs stretched out over the center area, providing a natural shelter.
Of course they all thought they had gone 'bonkers', cause everyone knows trees don't move, but there it was ready and waiting for them to set up base camp. Events like this kept happening, and finally they decided that this was an enchanted forest that was willing to cooperate with whatever they desired, and thus began the Community of Harmony.
Share
I do this a lot also. This is a silly example, but an example nevertheless: I use a hair curler thingy that uses small gas cartridges for heat and the store where I usually get them had been out of them for a couple of months. Everytime I went in there I would check on them. Then I thought I would go online and find out if I could purchase them online and couldn't. This became quite a big deal to me as I searched everywhere for them. Finally one day I was in a RiteAid pharmacy and I thought I would check there and they didn't even carry the brand of curling iron so I figured my chance of finding the cartridges there was nil. As I started to walk back toward the check-out stand I glanced up and saw a package of the cartridges sitting on top of one of the displays in a completely different department - just waiting for me! Love, Fran
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