Saturday, May 31, 2008
cart before the dead horse
Idiom: Beating a Dead Horse
If someone is trying to convince people to do or feel something without any hope of succeeding, they're beating a dead horse. This is used when someone is trying to raise interest in an issue that no-one supports anymore; beating a dead horse will not make it do any more work.
Idiom: Putting the cart before the horse
When you put the cart before the horse, you are doing something the wrong way round.
Thursday, May 29, 2008
teeth
According to Petunia, in her time frame, part of the process of growing a new tooth involves an understanding of why there was the creation of losing the tooth in the first place. So it isn't just the process of replacement, but an understanding of the initial subjective creation and the concept of teeth. The actual regeneration of the tooth is fairly easy.
the horse is definitely dead
Thanks, Share but Im still confused. Petunia said they can manipulate DNA, if they can manipulate DNA, then why can they all rregrow a limb. Also Elias and Derelics ghost, Sharee both told me that with trust we can do anything we can imagine, without limitation, even cure cerebral pulsy etc, ANYTHING. So do Petunia's words mean that even after the shift we will not be able to generate enougt trust to do some of the tougher tasks? That would make Elias' and Sharee's words merely theorhetical, and not able to be accomplished in practice.
Share if you and Petuia get bored with my extended line of inquiry here, just let me know amd Ill desist, but Im hoping that you all wont, this being the whole reason Petunia made contact with you and this being a hugely important thing for me and people like Rose and really all people who hope now and hope for post shift , for us not to have limitations. SHedding all our limitations is the main reason most of us are here, I would think.
Thanks,
Steve Lord
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To tell you the truth I think you are just beating a dead horse, and I'm not that interested in continuing in that line of questioning.
Petunia actually made contact with me in a larger sense to glean information regarding essence families, because as to date I have collected the largest database incorporating essence families and subjects related to essence families. In her time frame they are very interested in essence families and the utilization of that information.
In return Petunia is sending me ROTEs so that I may become familiar with how they exchange information in the form of a thought ball.
Share
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Well Share , I can only go by what Thom and Vernal tell us, and they say they are in our dimension. BUt forget what they said, would Petunia say that if we pull the plug on the shift, then would hher people lose all of the shift iimprovements hthey experimence now? IF not, then how would they avoid losing it all, if there was no shift that happened?
As far as your first paragraph , below, yes , Petunia says she has a "particular intent" in your exchange, but I thought that that intent was not merely to do an experiment, but also )and mainly) to try to get you (or us, Im not clear on this yet), to believe that we can regrow limbs, because it takes a while for humans to be able to do this, its such a tough belief, and so it takes several generations for it to cook up , thus Petunia needed to go back several generatinns and help us to activate that belief so SHE (or her people) would be benefitted, that is what I understood you to be saying in a prior post. Did I misunderstand?
Thanks,
Steve L
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On May 29, 2008, at 9:20 AM, lord4444444444@aol.com wrote:
Did I misunderstand?
Thanks,
Steve L
Quite.
Share
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If I could take a crack at this... Petunia says that some individuals can regrow limbs, others cannot. What this means to me is that if I lose a limb in 2107, I may not know how to regrow it, but I can go to someone who can help me learn how. It's like saying that some people can ride a unicycle and others cannot. I have complete and total freedom to learn how to ride the unicycle, but if I tried right now, I'd probably fall off.
I expect that if people could control anything and everything about their reality, they might actually *want* to experience an existence with a missing limb, much like a child may try to hop around on one foot for the experience of self-imposed limitation. The child knows that she can get back on two feet when the game is over, just as someone post-Shift would know that they can regrow the limb at any time. The lack of permanence neutralizes the emotional impact of losing a limb. If I know I can grow it back when I want, and my daily life is filled with nothing but what I feel like doing in the moment, then I would not be as devastated by the injury. I expect it would hurt like hell, so there is that, I suppose. But even that is a belief. Maybe we can shut off pain if all we want to experience is the limitation.
As for the offering of information and her "agenda", I don't see it like her seeding her past in order to alter her present. I see it as her seeding our present in order to encourage effortlessness in our future. She is offering encouragement, that's all. ~ S
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Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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At the risk of getting sucked into this discussion, I would emphatically offer a reminder that this information encounters distortion, a la the "Telephone Game", with every time it is conveyed from one individual to another. Also, I think we're looking too closely at an individual detail than we are at the big picture. The big picture is that the Shift involves knowledge, conscious knowledge of what we create. It involves immense freedom. And it's something that we're moving into. I take stories of the future as a sort of encouragement, but not an ironclad statement of what the future will be. ~ Solo
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Exactly.
Share
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Thanks, Steve M, I would agree with much of what you say. Howver we are stilll left with the essence of my line of questioning to Petunia. WHy is it that some people in her society cannot regrow a limb, as Share said? If it is just a matter of them going to a neighbor and asking how to do it, obviously they would have done that , but Petunia informs us that some STILL cannot regrow that limb.
[quote] "Damn! That pretty much seals our fate that Elias was correct and we wont be able to regenerate lost tissue . BUt of course I understand there are no absolutes. Sounds like our only hope is os to do what Petunia is doing and contact a past focus and insert the desired belief into their consciousness. MYRANDAAAA!
Steve L
Share replied
Some of their people can, some cannot. But you are correct, inserting the idea into this time frame makes it more available and easier in their time frame." [quote]
SO my concern is why cant cant what is holding them back , my understanding was that post shift we were finally unlimited , but some people in Petunia's time ARE still limited and simply cant figure out a solution other than to get us to cook up the necessary belief for a couple of generations.
Steve L
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Well ok then, I guess I am the only person who wants to find out what are limitations post shift people retain. Well this isnt the first time. I think I am the only person who wants to know what are the limitations to the awareness of ghosts, like to what degree can they actually accurately and in total detail perceive what is in my psyche, what is my intent, what are my beliefs, what are my motivations, what is the communcation that I am giving myself by such and such a disease communication, what are my desires. No one else I have ever know seems to have the slightest interest in that question either.
Steve L
In a message dated 5/29/2008 11:47:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sumari7@yahoo.com writes:
At the risk of getting sucked into this discussion, I would emphatically offer a reminder that this information encounters distortion, a la the "Telephone Game", with every time it is conveyed from one individual to another. Also, I think we're looking too closely at an individual detail than we are at the big picture. The big picture is that the Shift involves knowledge, conscious knowledge of what we create. It involves immense freedom. And it's something that we're moving into. I take stories of the future as a sort of encouragement, but not an ironclad statement of what the future will be. ~ Solo
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I do have interest in that question, and I did answer your question. You're looking for a black and white answer, and one does not exist. ~ Solo
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Well Solo, you did a fine job of saying that we should focus on the things we will be able to do post shift, rather than the things we wont ,and thats a fine approach, but that doesnt help me to know what those limitations are, and THAT is my interest at the moment.
It hit me right between the eyes for SHare/Petunia to be telling us that at least some of us will still experience limitations post shift. Hell maybe if we put our heads together we could figure out a solutoin for those post shift who need a belief acceptance boost in , for example the regrowing of limbs area. That would even provide us with a motivations to shift FASTER, which some people arent motivated to do, because then we can more easily start to work on these post shift limitations. And it would be a mtivation for poeple to do what they can to SPREAD the idea of the shift to the general population, that would be in our and Petunia's interest in helping to "cook" these limit busting beliefs that such as we can regrow limbs, so that they can more easily be inserted later on.
Steve L
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Hmmm, well I guess the horse aint quite dead yet. So Share if you have a interest in finding out exactly what is the deal in 2107, as I do, Petunia, can every person who now has a desire to regrow a lost leg, in 2107 do so, at this moment in their lives, using their own abilities, or with help from a neighbor or somehow, can all your people now accomplish that task or are there some who no matter what they have tried are blocked by the strength of their belief that they cannot ?
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:31:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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Nope, the horse is definitely dead.
Share
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- In Elias@yahoogroups.com, lord4444444444@... wrote: > >
Well Solo, you did a fine job of saying that we should focus on the things > we will be able to do post shift, rather than the things we wont ,and thats > a fine approach, but that doesnt help me to know what those limitations are, > and THAT is my interest at the moment.
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I said more than that. I said that those who "could not" were likely those who "would not", for their own consciously-chosen reasons. I think this discussion is one of those cases where translation causes distortion. My point is to reiterate that post-Shift, everything that we do and experience is chosen, knowingly, by us. Therefore, if I experience inability to regrow a limb, then I have consciously chosen that. Right now, my inability to do so is non-consciously chosen. I would experience conflict if I lost a limb because I would be unable to regrow it. Post-shift, our choices, intentions, and abilities are known. That implies that if someone does not regrow a limb post-Shift, they choose this in full knowledge of their choices.
Take communication, for instance. I can communicate with any of my friends or family, anywhere, any time, thanks to mobile phones. I may, one day, decide I wanted some time to myself, so I would turn off my phone and put it in a drawer for a while. In that, I would make myself unable to communicate with anyone anywhere. I would "lose" that ability, for a little while. I can go get my phone once again, but I may have my own reasons for experiencing solitude and isolation for a while. Yes, I may get lonely. I may be uncomfortable, but I might consciously *choose* to feel that in order to better appreciate the times when I allow myself to use my phone once again. So to sum up, I think those who "cannot" regrow a limb are choosing not to manifest their ability, rendering them "unable" to do so. In this, it's "unable" as in "if I do that, I'll spoil the experience and I don't want to spoil the experience", rather than, "I know of no possible way to alter my experience". ~ Solo
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Hokay, I just asked Vernal the same question below that I just asked Petunia, and this was her answer and this was my reply to her question. Do you think my reply was fair?
Vernal: How does this sound to you? If i say that the only reason for any experience is choice, which postshift is objectively conscious and boundless, how does that make you feel?
Steve: Ah, good, so vernal if I catch your answer right, you are saying you have zero limitations whatsoever, none, you can now live on the moon without oxygen, you can now live on the farthrest star in the universe, riight now, no oxygen, no food, no water, and the star is five million degrees farenheitt, is that literally and truthfully what you are saying, that you can just choose to do that and its done? You can now live in the center of a black hole, that is how your answer makes ME feel. Do I interpret you accurately? thanks, Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:59:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lord4444444444@aol.com writes:
Hmmm, well I guess the horse aint quite dead yet. So Share if you have a interest in finding out exactly what is the deal in 2107, as I do, Petunia, can every person who now has a desire to regrow a lost leg, in 2107 do so, at this moment in their lives, using their own abilities, or with help from a neighbor or somehow, can all your people now accomplish that task or are there some who no matter what they have tried are blocked by the strength of their belief that they cannot ?
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:31:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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Hi Steve L.,
I think many of us are interested in these topics -- I am. But there are many approaches to this, although I find yours interesting,
Regards, Otho
Share if you and Petuia get bored with my extended line of inquiry here, just let me know amd Ill desist, but Im hoping that you all wont, this being the whole reason Petunia made contact with you and this being a hugely important thing for me and people like Rose and really all people who hope now and hope for post shift , for us not to have limitations. SHedding all our limitations is the main reason most of us are here, I would think.
Thanks,
Steve Lord
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To tell you the truth I think you are just beating a dead horse, and I'm not that interested in continuing in that line of questioning.
Petunia actually made contact with me in a larger sense to glean information regarding essence families, because as to date I have collected the largest database incorporating essence families and subjects related to essence families. In her time frame they are very interested in essence families and the utilization of that information.
In return Petunia is sending me ROTEs so that I may become familiar with how they exchange information in the form of a thought ball.
Share
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Well Share , I can only go by what Thom and Vernal tell us, and they say they are in our dimension. BUt forget what they said, would Petunia say that if we pull the plug on the shift, then would hher people lose all of the shift iimprovements hthey experimence now? IF not, then how would they avoid losing it all, if there was no shift that happened?
As far as your first paragraph , below, yes , Petunia says she has a "particular intent" in your exchange, but I thought that that intent was not merely to do an experiment, but also )and mainly) to try to get you (or us, Im not clear on this yet), to believe that we can regrow limbs, because it takes a while for humans to be able to do this, its such a tough belief, and so it takes several generations for it to cook up , thus Petunia needed to go back several generatinns and help us to activate that belief so SHE (or her people) would be benefitted, that is what I understood you to be saying in a prior post. Did I misunderstand?
Thanks,
Steve L
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On May 29, 2008, at 9:20 AM, lord4444444444@aol.com wrote:
Did I misunderstand?
Thanks,
Steve L
Quite.
Share
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If I could take a crack at this... Petunia says that some individuals can regrow limbs, others cannot. What this means to me is that if I lose a limb in 2107, I may not know how to regrow it, but I can go to someone who can help me learn how. It's like saying that some people can ride a unicycle and others cannot. I have complete and total freedom to learn how to ride the unicycle, but if I tried right now, I'd probably fall off.
I expect that if people could control anything and everything about their reality, they might actually *want* to experience an existence with a missing limb, much like a child may try to hop around on one foot for the experience of self-imposed limitation. The child knows that she can get back on two feet when the game is over, just as someone post-Shift would know that they can regrow the limb at any time. The lack of permanence neutralizes the emotional impact of losing a limb. If I know I can grow it back when I want, and my daily life is filled with nothing but what I feel like doing in the moment, then I would not be as devastated by the injury. I expect it would hurt like hell, so there is that, I suppose. But even that is a belief. Maybe we can shut off pain if all we want to experience is the limitation.
As for the offering of information and her "agenda", I don't see it like her seeding her past in order to alter her present. I see it as her seeding our present in order to encourage effortlessness in our future. She is offering encouragement, that's all. ~ S
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Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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At the risk of getting sucked into this discussion, I would emphatically offer a reminder that this information encounters distortion, a la the "Telephone Game", with every time it is conveyed from one individual to another. Also, I think we're looking too closely at an individual detail than we are at the big picture. The big picture is that the Shift involves knowledge, conscious knowledge of what we create. It involves immense freedom. And it's something that we're moving into. I take stories of the future as a sort of encouragement, but not an ironclad statement of what the future will be. ~ Solo
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Exactly.
Share
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Thanks, Steve M, I would agree with much of what you say. Howver we are stilll left with the essence of my line of questioning to Petunia. WHy is it that some people in her society cannot regrow a limb, as Share said? If it is just a matter of them going to a neighbor and asking how to do it, obviously they would have done that , but Petunia informs us that some STILL cannot regrow that limb.
[quote] "Damn! That pretty much seals our fate that Elias was correct and we wont be able to regenerate lost tissue . BUt of course I understand there are no absolutes. Sounds like our only hope is os to do what Petunia is doing and contact a past focus and insert the desired belief into their consciousness. MYRANDAAAA!
Steve L
Share replied
Some of their people can, some cannot. But you are correct, inserting the idea into this time frame makes it more available and easier in their time frame." [quote]
SO my concern is why cant cant what is holding them back , my understanding was that post shift we were finally unlimited , but some people in Petunia's time ARE still limited and simply cant figure out a solution other than to get us to cook up the necessary belief for a couple of generations.
Steve L
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Well ok then, I guess I am the only person who wants to find out what are limitations post shift people retain. Well this isnt the first time. I think I am the only person who wants to know what are the limitations to the awareness of ghosts, like to what degree can they actually accurately and in total detail perceive what is in my psyche, what is my intent, what are my beliefs, what are my motivations, what is the communcation that I am giving myself by such and such a disease communication, what are my desires. No one else I have ever know seems to have the slightest interest in that question either.
Steve L
In a message dated 5/29/2008 11:47:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sumari7@yahoo.com writes:
At the risk of getting sucked into this discussion, I would emphatically offer a reminder that this information encounters distortion, a la the "Telephone Game", with every time it is conveyed from one individual to another. Also, I think we're looking too closely at an individual detail than we are at the big picture. The big picture is that the Shift involves knowledge, conscious knowledge of what we create. It involves immense freedom. And it's something that we're moving into. I take stories of the future as a sort of encouragement, but not an ironclad statement of what the future will be. ~ Solo
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I do have interest in that question, and I did answer your question. You're looking for a black and white answer, and one does not exist. ~ Solo
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Well Solo, you did a fine job of saying that we should focus on the things we will be able to do post shift, rather than the things we wont ,and thats a fine approach, but that doesnt help me to know what those limitations are, and THAT is my interest at the moment.
It hit me right between the eyes for SHare/Petunia to be telling us that at least some of us will still experience limitations post shift. Hell maybe if we put our heads together we could figure out a solutoin for those post shift who need a belief acceptance boost in , for example the regrowing of limbs area. That would even provide us with a motivations to shift FASTER, which some people arent motivated to do, because then we can more easily start to work on these post shift limitations. And it would be a mtivation for poeple to do what they can to SPREAD the idea of the shift to the general population, that would be in our and Petunia's interest in helping to "cook" these limit busting beliefs that such as we can regrow limbs, so that they can more easily be inserted later on.
Steve L
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Hmmm, well I guess the horse aint quite dead yet. So Share if you have a interest in finding out exactly what is the deal in 2107, as I do, Petunia, can every person who now has a desire to regrow a lost leg, in 2107 do so, at this moment in their lives, using their own abilities, or with help from a neighbor or somehow, can all your people now accomplish that task or are there some who no matter what they have tried are blocked by the strength of their belief that they cannot ?
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:31:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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Nope, the horse is definitely dead.
Share
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- In Elias@yahoogroups.com, lord4444444444@... wrote: > >
Well Solo, you did a fine job of saying that we should focus on the things > we will be able to do post shift, rather than the things we wont ,and thats > a fine approach, but that doesnt help me to know what those limitations are, > and THAT is my interest at the moment.
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I said more than that. I said that those who "could not" were likely those who "would not", for their own consciously-chosen reasons. I think this discussion is one of those cases where translation causes distortion. My point is to reiterate that post-Shift, everything that we do and experience is chosen, knowingly, by us. Therefore, if I experience inability to regrow a limb, then I have consciously chosen that. Right now, my inability to do so is non-consciously chosen. I would experience conflict if I lost a limb because I would be unable to regrow it. Post-shift, our choices, intentions, and abilities are known. That implies that if someone does not regrow a limb post-Shift, they choose this in full knowledge of their choices.
Take communication, for instance. I can communicate with any of my friends or family, anywhere, any time, thanks to mobile phones. I may, one day, decide I wanted some time to myself, so I would turn off my phone and put it in a drawer for a while. In that, I would make myself unable to communicate with anyone anywhere. I would "lose" that ability, for a little while. I can go get my phone once again, but I may have my own reasons for experiencing solitude and isolation for a while. Yes, I may get lonely. I may be uncomfortable, but I might consciously *choose* to feel that in order to better appreciate the times when I allow myself to use my phone once again. So to sum up, I think those who "cannot" regrow a limb are choosing not to manifest their ability, rendering them "unable" to do so. In this, it's "unable" as in "if I do that, I'll spoil the experience and I don't want to spoil the experience", rather than, "I know of no possible way to alter my experience". ~ Solo
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Hokay, I just asked Vernal the same question below that I just asked Petunia, and this was her answer and this was my reply to her question. Do you think my reply was fair?
Vernal: How does this sound to you? If i say that the only reason for any experience is choice, which postshift is objectively conscious and boundless, how does that make you feel?
Steve: Ah, good, so vernal if I catch your answer right, you are saying you have zero limitations whatsoever, none, you can now live on the moon without oxygen, you can now live on the farthrest star in the universe, riight now, no oxygen, no food, no water, and the star is five million degrees farenheitt, is that literally and truthfully what you are saying, that you can just choose to do that and its done? You can now live in the center of a black hole, that is how your answer makes ME feel. Do I interpret you accurately? thanks, Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:59:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lord4444444444@aol.com writes:
Hmmm, well I guess the horse aint quite dead yet. So Share if you have a interest in finding out exactly what is the deal in 2107, as I do, Petunia, can every person who now has a desire to regrow a lost leg, in 2107 do so, at this moment in their lives, using their own abilities, or with help from a neighbor or somehow, can all your people now accomplish that task or are there some who no matter what they have tried are blocked by the strength of their belief that they cannot ?
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/29/2008 12:31:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Yes, you are right on track. When Petunia says they cannot, she means that they are choosing not to for whatever reason that is personal to the individual. They believe they cannot, therefore they cannot. They may be choosing having someone else assist, or even choosing another direction besides growing a new limb for the experience. The type of challenge is up to the individual and not everyone makes the same choices. It is not a utopia.
And yes, Petunia is offering encouragement.
Share
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Hi Steve L.,
I think many of us are interested in these topics -- I am. But there are many approaches to this, although I find yours interesting,
Regards, Otho
beating the dead horse
On May 28, 2008, at 10:07 PM, lord4444444444@aol.com wrote:
SHare I dont understand what you are saying here. So she is trying to teach you how to regrow a tooth etc? And you insert WHOSE enrrgy into your time friame. and what do you mean makes it easier (for whom) to manipulate beliefs (whose beliefs) within her time frame?
THen you say it takes a length of time to accept and incorporate beliefs such as grrowing new limbs or teeth. So what is the process? ONe accepts his belief that he cant, and then choose one that he can? Thanks
Steve L
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The ability to grow a new limb or new set of permanent teeth is possible, and is simply a matter of believing that you can. However, right now, the belief that we cannot do those things are very strong. By inserting new beliefs or ideas into my time frame gives it time to cook, so to speak, and after a few generations acceptance of the new beliefs make them easy to manifest in Petunia's time frame.
Share
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Ah Share, thats interesting. So then the subjective , even in deciding how we should die, doesnt make some well reasoned decision to like give you a hreart attack for the experience, but thinks it must give you some disease or injury simply because some nutty belierf told it , so to speak,that that was the only way and the Subjective bought that. Gives one less faithi in his subjective huh, as an all knowing essence that knows what best, Its as much in the dark as our conscious mind.
Also re your thought coment, in 2002 before my psi wasnt being hindered by this brain problem I have, I was able to perform one magical creation after another simply by saying the words, like" I want to energize the New York Jets Football team", and for about thirty seconds afterwards when I would do that (one play) they would play like they were shot out of a cannon. So I guess we would have to say tHese experiences were due to my explicitly expressed intention. ,
Steve L
In a message dated 5/28/2008 7:19:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Thought does not create reality. The choice to disengage is made the same as it is now, but the method does not necessarily require beliefs about accident or disease making the idea of death less frightful.
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You are your subjective self. It is not doing anything without your consent.
What I am saying is that in Petunia's time frame the choice to disengage is viewed as a choice and not as something inflicted upon someone without their knowledge or consent. In this time frame individuals often choose an accident or disease as the method of death, because generally individuals do not believe someone is choosing the action of death. In Petunia's time frame the choice of disengagement or death is an acceptable choice in society, and there is no need to create an accident or disease, they simply die.
Share
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Damn! That pretty much seals our fate that Elias was correct and we wont be able to regenerate lost tissue . BUt of course I understand there are no absolutes. Sounds like our only hope is os to do what Petunia is doing and contact a past focus and insert the desired belief into their consciousness. MYRANDAAAA!
Ok then , since that is Petunia's agenda, then I assume she would want you to get her message to as large an audience as possible. Does that sound right?
Steve L
In a message dated 5/28/2008 11:01:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Some of their people can, some cannot. But you are correct, inserting the idea into this time frame makes it more available and easier in their time frame.
Share
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It isn't necessarily important that I attract a large audience, but I will affect a particular group of individuals. Remember, Petunia is my future focus, and she is inserting energy into her own past. Everyone may create their realities whatever way they choose, there are no absolutes as you say. No fate is sealed.
Share
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SHare your saying that some of Petunia's people cannot yet regrow tissue is quite perplexing to me. My understanding from Elias about the shift and Thom and Vernal about their lives , that they, and I presumed that included any post shifter, that being what the shift is all about, , that they can and we will, be able to create ANYTHING we want, that ALL our beliefs will be accepted by a bout 2075? So why cant ALL of Petunia's people regenerate tissue.?
Steve Lord
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Not all life challenges are eliminated in the after shift environment. For the most part all can regenerate new teeth, this is very easy. But to regenerate a new limb depends on how the individual lost the limb in the first place, and the choices they make. Sometimes the limb is only damaged, and they may choose to work with the limb in its damaged state to generate healing, rather than eliminate the limb and grow a new one. It depends on the individual. So some cannot because they do not choose that method. In Petunia's time frame there are less absolutes, so there is no particular one way. Each individual chooses from many options.
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Here is on Share's website, Elias confrming what I just asked Share, perplexing me even more.
"Elias: Yes! Therefore, they (post-shift focuses) do not incorporate
all of the answers either"
Share can you ask Petunia to discuss this failure of post shifters to be able to do what we have always understood they would be able to do, THanks, and can you ask her if is going to prove ALMOST absolutely impossible for us to regemerrate tissue, because that was something I wanted to do for myself too. Ive got some teeth that got messed up by this brainclamp disease which is due to a factor in my blood, that Id like to replace. Thanks.
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/28/2008 11:41:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lord4444444444@aol.com writes:
SHare your saying that some of Petunia's people cannot yet regrow tissue is quite perplexing to me. My understanding from Elias about the shift and Thom and Vernal about their lives , that they, and I presumed that included any post shifter, that being what the shift is all about, , that they can and we will, be able to create ANYTHING we want, that ALL our beliefs will be accepted by a bout 2075? So why cant ALL of Petunia's people regenerate tissue.?
Steve Lord
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Anything is possible even now. Is it probable for you? That depends on your own level of self-trust.
Petunia does not intend to prove anything and what would incorporate proof? But she does say that in her time frame individuals are overall more trusting of themselves and therefore more satisfied and accomplished, but challenges still exist. It depends on the individual.
Share
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Wait a minute. Petunia's gang can change their looks to look like anything they want. That sound harder tahn regrowing a few teeth??? WHat about that Petunia? Mr. Lord's head is spinning.
Steve Lord
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They are aware of their choices for physical structure before they manifest and don't believe that their appearance is totally a product of random DNA selection at conception. They are able to modify their looks the way we modify our physical structure with surgery, except surgery is not needed. However, sometimes they modify their appearance towards more uniqueness rather than to conform to a societal standard like a model. Playfulness is involved and it is not difficult.
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Tthanks Share, so then do you mean Petunia isnt trying to instill the regeneration of tissue belief into our entire society, but rather just into you so she personally will benefit? WHy , is she missing a limb or something?.
This story too is confusing because Thom and Vernal had said that if we pujlled the plug on the shift, they wouldnt be affected, they would just keep on as if we had shifted, but they would then just in a different dimensin than us. THus impliies that they would not be affected by anything we choose from now on, its already etched in stone for them vis a vis us, I guess based on our present probabilities. WHat I mean is, if us pulling the plug on the shift wouldnt change their reality at all, then neither would our adopting a belief in regereration, D you follow.? BUt Petunia is in a sense disputing that, IF in the case of if we adopting a mass belief in regeneration, that would help her whole society.
SO then can Petunia explain for us this apparaent contradiction of how us pulling the plug on the shift wouldnt affect them, but us making other changes of course would? Maybe its all just a matter of their choice which of our changes they choose to follow, shift abortion, no, adoption of belief in limb and teeth generation, yes.
Thanks,
Steee Lord
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Petunia isn't trying to instill the belief, she is sharing information with me, as I am sharing information with you. Our interaction, Petunia's and mine, benefit us both. You might want to view it as an experiment. It is not as absolute as you seem to indicate. When I say she has an agenda, I mean she has a particular intent in our interchange.
I don't know anything about Thom and Vernal, but it sounds to me like they are in a different dimension. I don't think comparison is useful.
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SHare I dont understand what you are saying here. So she is trying to teach you how to regrow a tooth etc? And you insert WHOSE enrrgy into your time friame. and what do you mean makes it easier (for whom) to manipulate beliefs (whose beliefs) within her time frame?
THen you say it takes a length of time to accept and incorporate beliefs such as grrowing new limbs or teeth. So what is the process? ONe accepts his belief that he cant, and then choose one that he can? Thanks
Steve L
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The ability to grow a new limb or new set of permanent teeth is possible, and is simply a matter of believing that you can. However, right now, the belief that we cannot do those things are very strong. By inserting new beliefs or ideas into my time frame gives it time to cook, so to speak, and after a few generations acceptance of the new beliefs make them easy to manifest in Petunia's time frame.
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Ah Share, thats interesting. So then the subjective , even in deciding how we should die, doesnt make some well reasoned decision to like give you a hreart attack for the experience, but thinks it must give you some disease or injury simply because some nutty belierf told it , so to speak,that that was the only way and the Subjective bought that. Gives one less faithi in his subjective huh, as an all knowing essence that knows what best, Its as much in the dark as our conscious mind.
Also re your thought coment, in 2002 before my psi wasnt being hindered by this brain problem I have, I was able to perform one magical creation after another simply by saying the words, like" I want to energize the New York Jets Football team", and for about thirty seconds afterwards when I would do that (one play) they would play like they were shot out of a cannon. So I guess we would have to say tHese experiences were due to my explicitly expressed intention. ,
Steve L
In a message dated 5/28/2008 7:19:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Thought does not create reality. The choice to disengage is made the same as it is now, but the method does not necessarily require beliefs about accident or disease making the idea of death less frightful.
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You are your subjective self. It is not doing anything without your consent.
What I am saying is that in Petunia's time frame the choice to disengage is viewed as a choice and not as something inflicted upon someone without their knowledge or consent. In this time frame individuals often choose an accident or disease as the method of death, because generally individuals do not believe someone is choosing the action of death. In Petunia's time frame the choice of disengagement or death is an acceptable choice in society, and there is no need to create an accident or disease, they simply die.
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Damn! That pretty much seals our fate that Elias was correct and we wont be able to regenerate lost tissue . BUt of course I understand there are no absolutes. Sounds like our only hope is os to do what Petunia is doing and contact a past focus and insert the desired belief into their consciousness. MYRANDAAAA!
Ok then , since that is Petunia's agenda, then I assume she would want you to get her message to as large an audience as possible. Does that sound right?
Steve L
In a message dated 5/28/2008 11:01:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lfdeale@mac.com writes:
Some of their people can, some cannot. But you are correct, inserting the idea into this time frame makes it more available and easier in their time frame.
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It isn't necessarily important that I attract a large audience, but I will affect a particular group of individuals. Remember, Petunia is my future focus, and she is inserting energy into her own past. Everyone may create their realities whatever way they choose, there are no absolutes as you say. No fate is sealed.
Share
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SHare your saying that some of Petunia's people cannot yet regrow tissue is quite perplexing to me. My understanding from Elias about the shift and Thom and Vernal about their lives , that they, and I presumed that included any post shifter, that being what the shift is all about, , that they can and we will, be able to create ANYTHING we want, that ALL our beliefs will be accepted by a bout 2075? So why cant ALL of Petunia's people regenerate tissue.?
Steve Lord
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Not all life challenges are eliminated in the after shift environment. For the most part all can regenerate new teeth, this is very easy. But to regenerate a new limb depends on how the individual lost the limb in the first place, and the choices they make. Sometimes the limb is only damaged, and they may choose to work with the limb in its damaged state to generate healing, rather than eliminate the limb and grow a new one. It depends on the individual. So some cannot because they do not choose that method. In Petunia's time frame there are less absolutes, so there is no particular one way. Each individual chooses from many options.
Share
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Here is on Share's website, Elias confrming what I just asked Share, perplexing me even more.
"Elias: Yes! Therefore, they (post-shift focuses) do not incorporate
all of the answers either"
Share can you ask Petunia to discuss this failure of post shifters to be able to do what we have always understood they would be able to do, THanks, and can you ask her if is going to prove ALMOST absolutely impossible for us to regemerrate tissue, because that was something I wanted to do for myself too. Ive got some teeth that got messed up by this brainclamp disease which is due to a factor in my blood, that Id like to replace. Thanks.
Steve Lord
In a message dated 5/28/2008 11:41:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lord4444444444@aol.com writes:
SHare your saying that some of Petunia's people cannot yet regrow tissue is quite perplexing to me. My understanding from Elias about the shift and Thom and Vernal about their lives , that they, and I presumed that included any post shifter, that being what the shift is all about, , that they can and we will, be able to create ANYTHING we want, that ALL our beliefs will be accepted by a bout 2075? So why cant ALL of Petunia's people regenerate tissue.?
Steve Lord
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Anything is possible even now. Is it probable for you? That depends on your own level of self-trust.
Petunia does not intend to prove anything and what would incorporate proof? But she does say that in her time frame individuals are overall more trusting of themselves and therefore more satisfied and accomplished, but challenges still exist. It depends on the individual.
Share
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Wait a minute. Petunia's gang can change their looks to look like anything they want. That sound harder tahn regrowing a few teeth??? WHat about that Petunia? Mr. Lord's head is spinning.
Steve Lord
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They are aware of their choices for physical structure before they manifest and don't believe that their appearance is totally a product of random DNA selection at conception. They are able to modify their looks the way we modify our physical structure with surgery, except surgery is not needed. However, sometimes they modify their appearance towards more uniqueness rather than to conform to a societal standard like a model. Playfulness is involved and it is not difficult.
Share
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Tthanks Share, so then do you mean Petunia isnt trying to instill the regeneration of tissue belief into our entire society, but rather just into you so she personally will benefit? WHy , is she missing a limb or something?.
This story too is confusing because Thom and Vernal had said that if we pujlled the plug on the shift, they wouldnt be affected, they would just keep on as if we had shifted, but they would then just in a different dimensin than us. THus impliies that they would not be affected by anything we choose from now on, its already etched in stone for them vis a vis us, I guess based on our present probabilities. WHat I mean is, if us pulling the plug on the shift wouldnt change their reality at all, then neither would our adopting a belief in regereration, D you follow.? BUt Petunia is in a sense disputing that, IF in the case of if we adopting a mass belief in regeneration, that would help her whole society.
SO then can Petunia explain for us this apparaent contradiction of how us pulling the plug on the shift wouldnt affect them, but us making other changes of course would? Maybe its all just a matter of their choice which of our changes they choose to follow, shift abortion, no, adoption of belief in limb and teeth generation, yes.
Thanks,
Steee Lord
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Petunia isn't trying to instill the belief, she is sharing information with me, as I am sharing information with you. Our interaction, Petunia's and mine, benefit us both. You might want to view it as an experiment. It is not as absolute as you seem to indicate. When I say she has an agenda, I mean she has a particular intent in our interchange.
I don't know anything about Thom and Vernal, but it sounds to me like they are in a different dimension. I don't think comparison is useful.
Share
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008
healing arts
On May 28, 2008, at 5:08 PM, lord4444444444@aol.com wrote:
Share you posted this " Exactly. And this is part of Petunia's agenda, growing new limbs, like a lizard grows a new tail, and also growing another full set of teeth on demand."
Did you mean that was Petunia's agenda as for US to be able to do that, NOW, or SOON. or what? Thanks.
Steve :L
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Petunia's agenda in interacting with myself is directed towards the healing arts. In the exchange of information I insert energy in my present time frame which makes it easier to manipulate beliefs within her time frame. It does require a length of time to accept and incorporate beliefs such as growing new limbs or new teeth.
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Shares entry from Sunday on her blog says this.
"They no longer need to create an excuse for disengagement such as accident or disease, as a simple desire is enough and well understood "
Gulp, thats a little scary and one that has given me pause before in other contexts. Because what if our passing thoughts, or rather intents, like ", I just want to die ", , etc were so powerful that they came true.. Seems like we are going to create a lot of things we later regret.
Steve L
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Thought does not create reality. The choice to disengage is made the same as it is now, but the method does not necessarily require beliefs about accident or disease, making the idea of death less frightful.
Share
Share you posted this " Exactly. And this is part of Petunia's agenda, growing new limbs, like a lizard grows a new tail, and also growing another full set of teeth on demand."
Did you mean that was Petunia's agenda as for US to be able to do that, NOW, or SOON. or what? Thanks.
Steve :L
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Petunia's agenda in interacting with myself is directed towards the healing arts. In the exchange of information I insert energy in my present time frame which makes it easier to manipulate beliefs within her time frame. It does require a length of time to accept and incorporate beliefs such as growing new limbs or new teeth.
Share
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Shares entry from Sunday on her blog says this.
"They no longer need to create an excuse for disengagement such as accident or disease, as a simple desire is enough and well understood "
Gulp, thats a little scary and one that has given me pause before in other contexts. Because what if our passing thoughts, or rather intents, like ", I just want to die ", , etc were so powerful that they came true.. Seems like we are going to create a lot of things we later regret.
Steve L
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Thought does not create reality. The choice to disengage is made the same as it is now, but the method does not necessarily require beliefs about accident or disease, making the idea of death less frightful.
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